925 - Banshee, PA Chamber of Commerce feat. Kath Kreuger (4/14/25)
Before addressing the news of the day, Will & Kath catch up with Felix on their re-watch of beloved series BANSHEE, which segues nicely into discussion of the baffling firebombing of the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. We then move on to the increasingly horrific and blatantly illegal renditions of American residents into foreign prisons, and the further construction of Fortress America. We also look at potential democratic responses, from Cory Booker’s filibuster, to Kamala slowly stepping back into the spotlight, and finally Bernie & AOC’s recent rally in LA.
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There is a Sunoco gas station and a 7/11 directly across the street from the Pennsylvania Governor's Residence.
Chris is being so stupid at the end. “Boy I do love the energy at the SPD conference in Berlin, December of 1918!” At this point Chris should take his leave fr.
You can all hate me for saying this, but you are asking for DSA to be larger and better.
Does anyone know which biblical parable Kath is referencing about your neighbor receiving what you get twofold so you say take one of my eyes
I got my passport. I highly recommend you all get yours.
Chapo boys have still got it!
We will keep seeing the same movie before over and over until there is a political movement that is class conscious like a communist party. We have piled heaps of rubbish on the very ideology— the antidote— for this fascism that comes from the atrophying of capitalism. Felix says we don’t have people for this role, they dont exist, because it’s taboo: the left has piled heaps of rubbish on the very philosophers, cornerstones, political mentorship that could save us. We need a brace Belden type, Stalin, bonapartist working class warrior. Felix for ministry of industry’s. Will for ministry of propaganda.
Will: " we are living in the safest country on the planet" I am sorry but you are delusional
In terms of external threats it is safest.
Jack Donaghy
Katherine too serious. Brings down the vibe a lot. I get that things are bad but I come for the detached irony too.
I would like to point out that if you just google “Chairman Bob,” the first result is bob avakian. The second is Bob Iger.
Doug and Kamala: achieving normal followed by America’s stupids live in action is my favorite Wednesday Night lineup
I'm surprised Bernie and AOC aren't calling for a general strike
are you?
you should post about canada, im trying to figure out if i want to vote Marxist-Leninist, Communist or Neorhino
bloc majoritaire calis
If Eephus does well will we finally get the release of "How's that harassment, it's a compliment?: The Carl Diggler saga" and "The Soda Movie"?
We’re living under a Republican reign of terror. Everyone talks in code to sus out your politics, people call the authorities to get their neighbors disappeared, and it won’t stop until we fight back. But I think we can win the dialectical battle, hopefully this all gets people to wake up and understand that a better world is possible.
Takeaway from this episode: we need an American Stalin.
D,🧙🏼
I’m curious what Felix is specifically implying (around the 50 min mark) that the leader of the Dems ought to be ready to break the law. Will echoes it moments later, but I’m not sure where this really goes realistically. I’m not against breaking the law, or necessarily a potential Dem president doing so, but I’m struggling to understand what real world scenarios they’re imagining. I’m struggling to think, for example, of a SC ruling a Dem president might ignore that would result in a good thing. Can anyone help me here?
Canceling student loan debt
Nuremberg trials for ICE agents? Now we're cooking. 🔥
And National Corrections officers. They were the black baggers during BLM and will be mobilized again.
25 hours and couldn’t mention Gaza fucking once!!!! love Kath!!!
OK, shitting on the Bernie AOC rallies is definitely a strange move. I was a Hillary voter in 2016 and now I fully support Bernie Sanders if he were to run for president and doubly for Alexandria. I hope she shows like this don’t tear her down, like they did to Hillary over a period of 30 years.
Lol
The American abund
If Five Below goes I'm out
Kamala would have been worse. Be real. And Kath talking about ugly is true.
Are you mental?
saw eephus in a tiny empty woke theater near me in tampa and it was awesome
Men would really rather watch 4 seasons of the hit Cinemax show Banshee than go to therapy
In CA it's Medi-Cal. 24 Pinochios
Bro what were those accents. Your take on the Shapiro arson stuff sucks. You guys sound so fucking stuck up.
Fuck that guy. The accents are about the weird way he talks about his Jewish "faith" trying to align it to Black Christianity. You know he tried to cover up a woman's murder too right?
Felix took me halfway out with the Chairman Bob bit and then Kath completed the fatality with The Felix Biederman Endowed Chair of Antisemitism 💀
i’m not on the same algorithm as my conservative lib parents so it’s nice that chris summed up the party’s refusal to take action and address genocide as, “the vibes were nice” guys, were good! the vibes are nice!
The fact that Bernie remains a democrat, steps out of the way when he loses the primary, and the fundraises for the Zionist candidate du jour has convinced me to break with him. A third party candidate like him who isn’t afraid to unequivocally condemn the genocide would easily get enough votes to win.
I'll vote for any candidate that commits to stop funding Israel. Bonus if they defund ICE. I'll vote Democrat, I just need a shred of reason to. I am kind of thinking it might be possible to run Republican based on Christian communism and family protection from capitalist disintegration. I'll make it so your kids can come over again.
The case for liberal Hitler
Kath rules.
reported for deportation
Double listen episode. Makes me proud to hold leftist politics. Then the Indigo Girls send me back to church camp in the mid 90s
Damn Bernie and AOC like six years too late. Would’ve been nice to see these balls a few years ago.
Still no balls. They need to be converting the enthusiasm to use directly against Schumer and others right now.
I was worried I was going to go to bed without wanting to kill myself. 2017 Chapo is back baby!
Try Hasan's streaming clips. A lil more optimistic feeling.
Gus Fring playing a lovable oaf. Someone hasn't seen Do the Right Thing
it's like when ppl said it was crazy to cast the Funny Dad from Malcolm in the Middle in a drama
Even prior to listening to this, I’ve been thinking about the idea of Democrats running on “we’re gonna do Nuremberg Trials and send them all to ADX Florence,” and I think it would play well, but I feel like that would spark preemptive action by Trump and his people. You’d have to just shut the fuck up about it and not run on it but pull that shit out on Inauguration Day.
RTSR mention
Screaming at my phone: GUS FRING DID PLAY A GOOFBALL HAVE YOU NOT SEEN DO THE RIGHT THING!?
Harris may have told us so, but she and the rest of the dems will be shocked when Trump says no more elections and they get arrested "WTF!? The we called Hitler is acting like a nazi."
I wonder if Weimar germany had epic radio programs that kept making insane Egyptology jokes in pastiche Hitler voices about how bad the socdems are blowing it
Yeah, that’s what cabaret was all about
Have people actually been asked by ICE to leave the country because they consulted with an immigration attorney? I'd like to know for personal reasons
I was working with a guy who was both a small time church pastor and a home remodeler. And he got on a rant about immigration where his version of it was that immigrants were already breaking the law being here illegally, and so instead of a 3 strike system it was one strike, and they were okay to be deported en mass in his view. That is where we are currently at with conservatism
They have never been anything other than psychotic. Occasionally they feel emboldened to be less pussified about their beliefs.
Found this video which made me mildly hopeful. Older White people are not completely demonic after all. https://youtu.be/ZeDHCA7J3FQ?si=kZdhDMgbONqqXNP0
Geez, can someone come pull the gun out of my mouth?
Not funny.
I spent roughly a year in solitary confinement: 45 minutes of rec time in the "yard" and 1 shower per week. I realize that's fucking Disney land compared to that hell in El Salvador. It might actually be worse than the Nazi concentration camps (The prisoners were allowed to move and work and live with each other in barracks). I really wish Lula and Maduro got together and invaded that shithole and hanged every one of these demons. and I dare Trump to attack Brazil and Venezuela while trying to invade Iran.
That's fucking crazy. More reason not to get taken alive.
Zohran can run in the main election regardless, because the Working Families will never endorse Cuomo.
I love it when Kath is on the pod. Shs has such a beautiful smoky silky voice. And ofc I love her commentary.
wow all you have to do is deport a few people and the dirtbag socialist becomes a flag hugging sanctimonious liberal patriot, West Wing style. Felix is right that the groundwork was laid during the Bush admin, and Obama continued it. Obama has extrajudicially killed more American citizens than Trump. Anwar al-Awlaki set a bad precedent that is going to be exploited here. As long as the target is a terrorist, credible or no...
What?
Run on a campaign of making Marco Rubio do the Nelson Muntz walk of shame down Pennsylvania Avenue
Most pharmaceuticals aren’t made here. They’re made in Europe. That’s why Trump wants to tariff them (and why Europe can effectively prevent red states from performing lethal injections).
"I've been trying to identify what this iteration of conservativism is about." Easy, it's about turning the United States into Israel. Everything you said after that point just described Israel. American conservatives are domestic Likudniks.
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We disavow
What is the outro song 🥲🥹 so beautiful
The song is Don't Think Twice, It's Alright by Bob Dylan. I'm not sure who did this cover though.
OFWGKTA
It’s pretty disingenuous to not acknowledge how much left wing Identity Folx demonized free speech over the last decade. We decided that our culture war concerns were so important we couldn’t have any foundational values or principles that might undermine them, and the right pounced on that.
are you seriously implying that squishy corporate liberal DEI initiatives and trans day of visibility were the slippery slope that led to people being detained and/or deported for protesting the genocide in Gaza?
Much of what is happening is a very good prediction that was made by Christian Parenti in his 2010 book “Tropic of Chaos”. In it he summarized how climate change, neoliberalism, and Cold War arms were making the Global South harder and harder to live in. When this happened, more refugees would seek shelter in the northern nations of the world. This would then lead nations like the US to become what he called “The Armed Lifeboat”, shutting themselves off from refugees violently. Very prescient work.
I don't think this is driven by resource scarcity or increasing immigration. As usual dipshits too many generations removed from the founding myths forgot they were bullshit and how things are kept stable and favorable to them.
i agree with will's comments last week that rather than this being the death of neoliberalism, come 2028 unless a major break happens, we are going to see the democrats throw a replacement-level candidate up and say "hey, don't you miss being stomped on politely?"
In that scenario do you think it would be better to vote for them anyway, given how bad things have gotten within 3 months? Still not reconning with the responsibility here eh
How are you talking about this in any terms other than: CRISIS. It isn’t deportation even which supposes due process. It is DISAPPEARING people. That’s where we are at. They’re not testing. They are just executing project 2025 and enacting authoritarianism and liberals continue hand-wringing
It’s why I hate referring to the Salvadorean facility as a prison. It’s not. Prisons are where people who have gone through some level of due process go, even if it’s a sham. This is a concentration camp.
Bernie and AOC have been explicitly and consistently calling out the Democrats as essentially a feckless party and they have been vocal at these rallies that the Dems also take billionaire money and that's a problem. Bernie recently said people need to run for office to resist what's happening with Trump, but they needn't think they have to run as a Democrat precisely because of these critiques. Not sure why the Chapo gang is acting like that's not the case here. I know they want to be mad at Bernie, but this is just dishonest bullshit. Bernie also recently led an effort to block more arms sales to Israel, but our government is entirely in the hands of a fascist madman at the moment so of course it failed. Yes, it would've failed under Biden too, but expecting Bernie to pull a John Brown or something at 83 years old over this issue is a ridiculous purity test. They spend the episode rightly decrying the ongoing horrors of the Trump administration, but then go out of their way to bitch and moan when Bernie and AOC do SOMETHING to try and light a match for the resistance, a resistance based on an accurate characterization of the rot that undergirds our system. Chapo has been a valuable resource for me. I've appreciated the exposure to a political perspective that's effectively non-existent in this country at a mainstream level, but this kind of pathological pessimism (while I empathize at times) is annoying af.
I feel similarly. I understand their sense of disillusionment after such a painful quarter century but this will have been a very short time when people look back on it. Anything really could happen.
What are the odds on a member of Chapo being imprisoned for political speech and why is it most likely gonna be Matt Christman?
Hey can I teach Introduction to Varg Vikernes at chapo university? Where can I apply
Truly and honestly things feel really really bad and I really am struggling to see a good direction coming. I'm feeling so much deep despair about the future just thinking about where everything has led in just my own lifetime
You are only able to capitalize on the rays of hope available to you my friend. Lean on flesh and blood connection and seek it if you dont have many, keeps us sane
My biggest problem with Bernie’s rallies is most Americans think “oligarchy” is a fancy type of burger at Ted’s Montana grill… can we not just get somebody at a fucking podium who’s message is “the people claiming ‘the third world is taking advantage of America’ are the very same people who offshored American manufacturing for cheap goods. They created the largest wealth disparity in the history of humanity and hoarded more wealth than anyone ever on the backs of cheap Asian labor as did all their friends buying their stocks, and if you think they’re doing anything now but trying to find another way to increase profit for another quarter century you are the stupidest American in a country of the stupidest people ever to be stupid.”…. Oligarch burger sound kinda fire tho…
I mean their attendance has been very good in rural and deep red areas so I don't feel like "oligarchy" being too big of a word for Americans seems to be hurting them too much
Better these pricks than elementary schools. We’re seeing a new development in the lone gunman, and the wealthy are just hoping they go back to shooting 3rd graders.
I think school shootings are still happening man
Cody Balmer deserves a Paul Schrader biopic.
33:33 we’re making America into isreal.
Most distant Chris laugher in the mixes, thank you
So good. Congrats on being able to afford a second room and a door now, but reminds me how much I miss the Chris laugh track.
more kath🙏
She’s good at this.
Very real thoughts and reflections on the dire state of america.. harsh to take but understanding reality is the first step to changing it
RCP mentioned!!!!
Another insane Felix phobia revealed.
"He gets stronger the more violently you beat him" oh ok this I'd just live action DBZ
Actual tyranny is upon us
"nobody warned us 😭"
So glad that Felix brought this back to the bush administration. They absolutely set the groundwork for what is happening now.
100% Banshee. I feel like Charming just doesn't have enough Amish Mafiosos to draw me in.
DiCreccio ... I haven't heard that name for a long fuckin' time
Only the stupid are addicted to pornography…yells the man addicted to video games
Says the guy addicted to pornography
They still aren’t playing Epheus in my hometown of Retardville, Ohio
Josh Shapiro’s smoke alarm was chirping at that press conference
Noooooooooo
That shit a few weeks ago where a Puerto Rican family was detained at like a fucking shopping mall terrifies me. My wife has tattoos and her birthplace is listed as PR on her passport, what are the odds an ICE guy knows where that is. Shit is keeping me up at night.
Found this mildly hopeful. Not that we won't need violence, just way less. https://youtu.be/ZeDHCA7J3FQ?si=kZdhDMgbONqqXNP0
Sometimes I put on Chapo and it’s like we live on different planets
Looks like those Clowns the Dems did it again What a bunch of clowns
I fell out at “Faboloso”
that's what Fabolous uses to clean things
All this discussion of potential 2028 Democratic candidates and nobody even mentions the dark horse Joe Brandon. He’s the only person who has ever defeated Trump!
The right wing making America universally shitty happened immediately after a black guy became president. In their eyes the nation is permanently soiled and the only thing to do is have a civic riot and smash it all to pieces.
Meh. They updated the implementation slightly to take advantage of an opportunity (racism = playing with cheat codes in US politics) but the plan was in place long before.
it makes me feel better when the maoist dog comes out a bit if the Chapo boys. felt less lonely when it was insinuated that we may need to get rid of the amerikkkan treatlerite dogs of the wmpire
We honestly could do with a cultural revolution in this country. Raze every Cheesecake Factory and Walmart to the ground, publicly execute Trapt, it'll be good.
lol DJT is Pink from “The Wall”
Cursed Chicano Chapo heads oh god
That escape from New York bit fucking NAILS this current moment holy shit.
Love the Weigel and Roth eps but that 3-4 min is some of the best chapo I’ve heard in years.
Re "Fight the Oligarchy": It is 100% a war of capturing any whiff of revolutionary sentiment and smothering it by comodifying it. They did this with BLM. They're doing it now. Controlled opposition. We've seen this movie before.
Yeah they are trying to revitalize the Democratic Party. AOC and Bernie needs to be seen as Democrats first and foremost.
Stupids for a democratic society
Matt nailed it on the head. A future socialist potus can ignore court orders, deport conservatives by deeming them gang members, and crash the stock market all becausr the Trump admin laid the grounds of legal precedent. Hello Trump v USA
Forever calling popularist pop sodaists moving forward.
They're turning America into Israel
america has been doing israel shit way longer than israel
Don't jail trump. That makes him a martyr. Just release the Epstein files. People are too afraid of what it would mean to the prestige of the Office and our country at large. Well he already fucked that. So expose him in the Epstein files
yeah man any day now the big epstein list where they rank each celebrity and politician by children molested is going to come out because it is definitely real
Please god do a full Banshee episode with Katherine
Felix on fire on this one
YQNG, follow the universal balanced rabbit
Kath and Felix always have the best chaotic conversation energy. It’s one of my fav combos of the show.
Is Felix confusing his grandpa with buster keaton?
It must have been one of those mini-eclairs, right?
you WISH, pal
“Weapons Sistrens”
12:23 Farabundance Martí National Liberation Front
Skip to 11:29 if you don’t enjoy it when your little nephew manically explains his favorite TV show to you.
Thank you so fucking much
Part of what's happening is that the terrifying immigrant gangs that Trump promised to purge do not really exist, at least not as described. They had to kidnap a bunch of dads with speeding tickets and say they're "gangs" because the roving hoards of un-policed foreign criminals that MAGA obsessed over literally do not exist.
And ofc that leads to maga pledgers posing as ICE agents and blackwater supplying the prison space
Will and Kath talking over each other is why I pay for this podcast.
Props to them for half calling out Bernie.
can my home state stop doing insane things please
Chris is annoying
That is false.
Jill Stein is a Kai Procter
It’s a Sunoco that’s directly across from the governors mansion
Yang gang
Yang Gang FTO designation incoming
Maxwell Frost took a lot of money from SBF and called putin a communist.
Shoutout to Giancarlo Esposito in Do the Right Thing
Yeah Buggin' Out is kinda the bungler they were hoping for.
Nice to see a bit of fire back on Chapo in the last half the show.
Well done, all. I really needed a funny episode today and you delivered.
Caths up for Kath
I'd like to avoid electoral formalities by mobilizing all the chapo fighter pilots and gun nuts
Does anybody know who's singing "Don't think twice, it's alright" in the outro? Really like this version of it but can't figure out who it is
if you happen to find it pls share!! i’ve been looking for like an hour lol
safest country in the world?
Andrew Yang Weathermen. 🤣
these mfs spitting
improvised fascism from the most lumpen bourgeois, in every direction at once, like groping a dark room with a knife.
Will is too kind to us. We are, in fact, ugly pigmen and pigwomen.
And nonbinary pigpersons
say what you want about chairman bob he would set up the American stasi
When the consequences arrive I will reach near untold levels of schadenfreude. Recompense for having to watch fascists draw and quarter this country.
Banger
I don’t know where else to put this, so I’ll ask it here - is anyone else starting to find Chapo too hard/sad to listen to nowadays? The double shot of Bernie losing and Matt’s stroke seems to have ripped the heart out of the show. I’ve been listening to a lot of old episodes lately, and it’s really confirmed for me that Matt and Amber were always the intellectual and emotional engine rooms of these conversations (and that Virgil, all accusations aside, is sorely missed as a comedic straight man). This version of the show just feels broken and empty, an obligation that Will, Felix and Chris clock in for twice a week to fill their quota at the Patreon factory. It fucking sucks, man, and it makes me hope Eephus is so wildly successful that they can all fully pivot to that bougie producer life forevermore.
lol ok bro whatever you say
Banger
Kath Time!
Felix begins speaking at 1 minute and 26 seconds today
Decreccio huh, That's a name I haven't heard in a loonnnggg time.
I want another tabletop RPG episode series immediately
Will give credit where it's due: Zero Day did get it right it would be incoherent centrists who would be future terrorists .3.
Nepo baby inbound
Man I would love to be will’s girlfriend dawg I could finally call my king daddy 🤤
Happy Easter!
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