Medicine Made Me Murder - St. George, Utah

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The mormon church almost lost their tax exempt status because of racial discrimination, so that like another reason they changed it too lol

Sccy 9 mentioned 😭😭😭😭

I really hate hearing two people who have never had a (beloved) parent die before their eyes talk about how people should feel when their parent dies.

Omg how can you have NEVER watch THE OFFICE???? 😂

Damn, still miss my dad so much. Passed in 2023 and it is a roller coaster. Sometimes ya bust out crying out of nowhere

When they talk about the shovel all I could think of was on Justified when Devil went to kill Messer and Messer brought that shitty “Weebo” camp shovel 😂😂

Have to correct you on the Boy Scout stuff. The Mormons have actually left the Boy Scouts of America. They started backing away when BSA allowed gay and trans youth and leaders, and they totally left when BSA welcomed girls to join.

I hate it when there aren’t any real dinosaurs at the parks!

I live in Utah this is how stupid this town is. So the town hurricane they pronounce it hurr-e-cn not hurricane. I refuse but had a girlfriend that lived there lol 😂

Entomology is the scientific branch of zoology dedicated to the study of insects and their relationship to humans, the environment, and other organisms.

We should all know by now not to trust the FDA. They know certain food ingredients can lead to cancer yet it still is put in our food.

Love you guys ✌🏼

"Funny" thing for me about this episode is that taking Prozac actually DID completely ruin my life. I took Prozac years ago, and it triggered an anaphylactic allergic reaction which completely screwed up my immune system and now I'm allergic to everything and I can't live a normal life anymore. It sucks and I hate it. I've come really close to suicide because of it too. It's been awful. My life is over because I tried to get better.... That being said, I am glad that Prozac exists and helps a lot of other people, but I just wish I had better health care and that I myself had never taken it...

OMFG the cat name discussion about 40 mins in absolutely delighted me!!! 😅🤩😁😂😍 Also, BLESS JIMMIE'S SON for working at a nursing home feeding elderly people. That work isn't easy, but those of us who have been in or had family in a nursing home, all the workers mean the world to some of us! 🫂✌️😍💞 Also woohoo dictionary readers unite! I used to do that when I was a kid. 😅

Thank you for mentioning Dave Matthews' drummer. While I'm not a fan of DMB myself, Carter Beauford is an incredible drummer!

My friend went to St. George once. He went into a Starbucks and said he saw the highest concentration of beautiful women there. He said it’s too bad they are all irradiated.

LOVED Royal oak!

You guys were sooooo close! Thanks for the shout out. We love you guys. 🙃

I think its hard to tell someone how long they should grieve, there's healthy ways and unhealthy ways to process it and it will always stay with you but it shouldn't take complete control of your life...... I heard a great analogy that grief is like glitter, at first its everywhere and you can't shake it off, then one day it starts to slowly disappear, but every now and then a little spec of glitter will appear out of the blue and your reminded of the loss

Me it was me. I went to South central.

"There is too much shit happening." Jimme, the people of Chicago feel the same way about Dave Matthews.

My attorney brain loved this episode! It’s always fascinating to me when law and medicine intersect, especially involving psychiatric drugs. P.S. I don’t know if the guys read these, but someone please tell James he would make an excellent attorney! His legal aptitude is impressive, especially for a non lawyer, and honestly better than some of the people I went to law school with … !

I've been on generic Prozac (fluoxetine, woo!) for a little over 10 years now. You can pry my prescription from my cold, dead hands. Without it, I was a depressed, anxious mess. I wish I had gone on the stuff earlier. Like, right at 18 earlier.

one thing to keep in mind is that if a single person reports a side effect they're required to list it whether it had something to do with the drug or not. that's how you end up with drugs listing "gambling addiction" as a side effect

Anybody else start singing "Runaway" in thier highest falsetto when James mentioned Del Shannon??? 🤣 nope? Just me??? 😆 🎵🎼I'm a walkin' in the rain 🌧😂🎵🎼

Rulon Jeffs died here

Hey now! Therapy and a supportive partner are the building blocks to living with borderline. But yes, some days I just wanna fight and my husband has learned how to help me out of that cycle.

I haven’t finished this episode yet, but so far it’s awesome. Always hilarious to hear James & Jimmie make fun of the Mormons and get a side shot in at the Catholics while they’re at it.

BPS is not an excuse for murder.

There is always a prescribed dosage & frequency of that dose. Doubling the amount he took was voluntary, not prescribed.

“I hope you enjoyed that” Yes I did

Wtf are you guys talking about with Mormons taking over the Boy Scouts? I got Eagle in 2016. The only thing we have in common is being "reverent", but thats not really a heavily enforced point of the Scout Law at all

Mormon here. James and Jimmie talking about Mormons always gives me a good laugh.

Ranger Rick was my shit way back when!

In the UK you're not allowed to take the bar more than twice.

I would be completely okay if I never heard a thing about kori wanna be rich tits EVER again. Just my irrelevant thought 😁 Jimmy and James, you guys are great! Jimmy holds a special place in my uhhmmm...heart?!? I have a bit of crush on that man 🫠 ☺️

It should be noted that it’s not uncommon for someone to be on an antidepressant that is chemically incompatible with someone’s body. This can oftentimes lead to suicide attempts in people who were never suicidal before. It’s one of the reasons it takes so long to find the right medication.

Prozac made me feel like nothing. People said i was acting like a zombie. I wasnt really depressed anymore but i wasnt happier. I didnt feel anything. I hated it.

I have tried many SSRIs over the last 18 years and I have to say that Prozac was the WORST of all. Made me want to kill myself and my anger would just explode.

Underestimating how cold it gets here in Australia. It snows in winter, not everywhere but in the South-east it does.

The difference i see right off the rip, he covered it up and S.A.'d her. The other case she sat down right after and turned herself in. He obviously knew he was in the wrong. Plus aggravating circumstances he is guilty and its first degree. But that is just my opinion.

Tuba City got a shoutout! Been working here 3 years, couldn’t have survived without this podcast 😂

Can we get a “Birds, fucking birds!” Merch design please 😂

SSRI user here. Not only do they leave you with a very low sex drive, my medication interferes with the ability to get high from anything smokeable. I can get there with gummies. I've been on several medications since being diagnosed with depression at 13, then bi-polar at 37, for which I'm on medication for as well. I go off either one for about a week, I'm a total bitch.

I have been on several different antidepressants. Zoloft, Effexor, Prozac, etc. Prozac made my depression WORSE. I felt horrible on it. But for a lot of people it’s a lifesaver. I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder in 2011 and my meds still sometimes need adjusting- adding in another one, changing dosages, etc. But I’m here.

I need y'all to do a breakdown on the Reckless Ben Lego cases and drama plzzz

Page,AZ!!!!! Yeah Jimmie!

My mother took Prozac in the 90s after she divorced my father. She had a bladder surgery about 8mo (it was February) after she started taking it, and stopped taking the medication cold turkey after her procedure ( dr never told her she had to wean herself off). Two days after this serious surgery; I found her standing in front of the wide open front door with her hands stretched out .. i walked over to her wondering wtf was going on; she was hallucinating my dead grandmother. She was ‘holding her face’ and saying “Oh Mom you’re so cold.” 👀 I was horrified. I put her back into bed and called 911.. the dispatcher made me list off all the medications she was taking and was the one who asked if she stopped taking the Prozac suddenly. She ended up being ok, never took it again, and filled a complaint against the doctor. It was fucking crazy

Black box label

My neighbor and best friend in middle school had a cat named Gizmo. My boyfriend in high school had a German Shepherd named Rambo. I graduated high school in ‘93.

My father died in February suddenly and unexpectedly. I’d love for someone to look me in the face and tell me to get over it. I’ll grieve him for the rest of my life. Some of the sidebars during this episode were a little wild and felt like baggage vs commentary. It took away from the rest of the podcast/story for this episode. 😣

The Mormon church servered ties with Boy Scouts in 2019, which is directly responsible for the inclusion of girls as a way to increase membership. The church was more than 80% of their membership and it was lost in a single year. BSA will never recover from the split. While the LDS did not start the program, they really took it on as their own.

This episode is crazy for someone who has been to St George, grew up next to Moncks Corner, and struggles with grief. 😆

I 100% agree with Jimmie on the death of a parent. He is right on.

My cousin lives in St. George so I've visited there a few times and I am baffled why her and her husband chose to live there. They are not religious at all, have no kids, and don't like hiking. It's freezing and snowing in the winter and over 110° in the summer, can't imagine living with weather like that every year.

Dinosaurs is a halarious scam. People think they're so smart. Haha

Was I the only one screaming ENTOMOLOGY?!

weed isn’t

I’m from Moncks Corner

I love that you know who Del Shannon is!! And know the song Runaway!!!

Entomology is bugs

I’m on Fluoxetine (generic Prozac) and it’s working amazing for me, in combination with my ADHD meds, not enough on its own. However, with Wellbutrin it made me irritable and extremely angry all the time. Strattera made me numb and drained the world of color. It’s interesting how different medications work for different people.

Howard Hughes was probably on the spectrum and he was rich and had all his idiosyncrasies catered to…… Thus leading him to lock himself in a suite, never clipping his nails, saving his urine, and disintegrating in real time. The line between brilliance and madness is so small at times. Not all the time like a lot of people seem to think

Oh boy I’m in the waiting room for surgery, great title today 😆

Today’s episode was brought to you in partnership with Prozac… Honestly a lot of priors/bias on display in this one

My mom took Prozac in the 80s. It was like a miracle drug for her. Depression runs in my family so I wasn’t surprised when I got post partum depression after I had my son. Been on mainly Zoloft for the past 20 years and thank God for it. But I think I need more counseling. Depression sucks. 😞

I love you guys and I in no way want to defend S Carolina but you guys come to NC, Tenn and Ga which all have illegal herb. I guess if I were talented enough to tour I wouldn't come to Sc. I'm trying to escape this hell hole. I think the Mormons created the Boy Scouts, it always creeped me out anyway. That was before all the molestations too, I just saw the kids coming to school w their Scout suit on, i kinda felt bad for them. Lol, yea the crazy caffeine drinks they drink are hilarious, idk why they're allowed cold caffeine but hot caffeine drinks are still restricted. Lol, yea I see my psychiatrist every 3 months, I'm on anti depressants and we both agree my depression is 99% because I live in Sc. I'm also dealing with a disability that's getting worse daily, I'm kinda used to that now. I'm about 2 months away from escaping the Bible belt. We all grieve different, I know my pops was my best friend and I lost him in 2010 and it took a while to get past it. I still feel like I'm grieving it sometimes. It's different w all of us, there's no real set time limit to grieving a loss of someone you love.

I can’t believe you’ve never watched The Office! 🤯

Anyone else get to the med part of this episode and think these fucking SSRIs are still making me fat and tired to this day 😂

You should read up on the history of uggs. UGGS as a brand is American. Cheaply made in foreign countries. But uggs is an Australian term for sheepskin boots. Invented by sheep shearers to protect their feet from harsh conditions. Used in ww2 to prevent frostbite while flying. Then was worn by surfers in the 70s. They look different than they did 100+ years ago. Not a whole lot different than most leather boots, but are made from sheep skin and shearling.

Utah may be beautiful but I'll never step foot in the state. I'm terrified of becoming the 54th wife of some religious nut. I look terrible in prairie dress and am way too mouthy for that shit.

Many years ago, my aunt dated the Twinkie Defense lawyer!

My cat is actually named Frank Reynolds hahaha. He gets real weird with it.

…no dinosaurs…

Can yall do a Columbine episode? I would love your take.

Prozac user here. Lowest dose you can get. Had to go on it. Was taking care of my mom cause she was suffering from dementia. And when you break down in your doctor's office talking about it was the best thing that could have happen to me. That and therapy. But it helped keep my promise to mom. No matter what he was NEVER going into a home. She worked in nursing homes. Told me stories about the patients and the kids never coming to see them. It's been 6 years I've been on it.

The dinosaur museum sounds awesome. I’ve been to dinosaur ridge in Colorado, just outside Red Rocks and it’s cool.

I remember the Standard-Gravure shooting in Louisville in '89, that was huge news here. The Courier-Journal, the newspaper that James mentions, caused a giant controversy by publishing on the front page the next morning a picture of a face down victim of the shooting. I was 14 at the time and I can still recall seeing that picture that morning. That was an enormous controversy, lots of people were very pissed off at the paper for publishing that picture

Fuckin A! I love when I wake up to get ready for work and I have a brand new episode to listen to

Chris Butler the listener who worked in AZ?

Chris Butler the listener who worked in AZ?

Hello, bipolar here. I never murdered anyone and have been on meds 28 years. Not even my ex-husband (kidding, he's not that bad of a guy). Seriously though, I've been on Prozac before and I didn't have any murderous tendencies at all.

Boys, not Dave Mathew's band. It's Phish. Or any jam band. 13 people playing a bunch of random shit.

22 minute mark on “no dinosaurs” hahahaha. I listened that that twice already

I am crashing soon. Alex tucked in early. Checking on him, need to empty the urine bag so it doesn't explode over night. Then I am out . night.

In the 80's St George was small. I drove after, 8pm with 4 kids and got a nice motel room without a reservation. Now? Impossible!

Prozac is considered the oldest antidepressant... and it does still work well for a lot of people.

As someone who lives in Berkeley County, SC, everyone I know that pronounces Moncks Corner that way has scorch marks on all their spoons lol, it’s just the same as monks because of the monk abbey it was built around

My wife and I JUST got back from a vacation, in Hurricane UT, which is basically St George. Except we went for all the national/state parks, not the area. Thats craaaazyyyyy.

Awesome! My wife and I are long time St. George residents and grew up here so we did a double take seeing the title, especially with how big it has gotten. Was awesome seeing you guys live in SLC.

I live in Vegas and I haven’t been to the strip in 6 months. Thats where the force fed ice cream machine of ‘fun’ happens. 😆 The Strip is to Vegas what Times Square is to New York. Lots of people live here but it’s famous for 3 square blocks. Vegas is livable as long as you don’t mind living in the devil’s back yard for 4 months out of the year!

YES!!! You did one where I live! Can’t wait to listen to this one.

Drove through St. George once. Never saw a person of color. Very unnerving.

I won't miss my mom. But I really hope my kids miss me.

If you want a real deep dive on St. George, you gotta watch season 12 of Sister Wives. This is the backdrop for the most amazing Mexican-vintage ever to take place. So many tacos, but somehow still not enough tacos. Tony and Mykelti will always be the gift that keeps on giving.

My parents are born and raised St.George and my whole family still lives there, we got damn breathe red rocks lmao. I got the notification for this episode and called my mom IMMEDIATELY 💀

YAAAAAAAYYY! Makes a long day worth it ❤️

Let's go on a trip, shall we?