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April 23, 2026

Poison Pudding Problems - Columbus, Indiana

This week, in Columbus, Indiana, after the suspicious death of a man, in his estranged wife's backyard, detectives assume that it's just a sad tragedy. But when people, including his wife's children, start coming forward with information, a large investigation is put into motion. This uncovers motives for murder, some very strong missing drugs, and a probable attempt on another man's life, using a possibly poison Thanksgiving dinner!!

Along the way, we find out that Chuck Taylor is more than just a name on a shoe, that you should never leave insanely strong liquid morphine out in the open, and that you shouldn't go shopping, before you call 911!!

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Bill Reddon · August 18, 2026

There is no more vile thing than pudding skin.

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MJ O'keeffe · May 31, 2026

Pudding problems, huh James?

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Jackie Hopkins · May 19, 2026

I can't wait to head to Detroit next week!!!! Long time listener, 1st time commenter. 🥰🥰

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Anthie Shulman · May 19, 2026

the way i gagged at the pudding skin discussion omg

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Natalie Bland · May 7, 2026

Wasn’t thallium the episode with the Mensa guy who copied Agatha Christie’s The Pale Horse to kill his neighbors for not being classy?

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Tori Gagne · May 4, 2026

Jimmy. I have the same passion for the good funfetti frosting! Haha! Fuck those sprinkles!

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Lux Monroe · May 1, 2026

Pudding skin for life!

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Miss Noble's 1st grade classroom · April 30, 2026

Psychopaths are BORN. Sociopaths are MADE. Best way to remember the difference!

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Em · April 29, 2026

100% recommend divorce over murder. I'm happily divorced going on 12 years.

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TheKlap · April 29, 2026

The school schedule these days is fucking nuts! I have 3 interns from the local high school in my machine shop and the frequency in which they’re here because they are out is absolutely insane. It’s like every other week is a half day or a day off or both.

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Charles Young · April 28, 2026

I work at a psychiatric hospital. We crush patient medicine and mix it into pudding cups. Makes it much easier to get them to take the meds and they can't cheek the pills.

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Jeremy Hislop · April 28, 2026

Jello pudding is the top tier off pudding even the instant!

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Casey pennington · April 27, 2026

I love these guys.

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Granny Rachel · April 27, 2026

Cook and serve pudding is the best!

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Joe Bacich · April 27, 2026

They absolutely did the Audrey Hilley case and I think that was the second Anniston, AL episode? That one sounds so familiar

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Kristy Black · April 27, 2026

I am trying to share AL episodes with a coworker. Do you or anyone else remember the Decatur, AL one about the fishpond. We live in Decatur. I thought it might be a good one for her to start with.

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Erika Fultz · April 27, 2026

I'm not usually a koozie girl, but I was at a soccer tournament this weekend and we played a team from Hawaii. They brought the Ohana spirit over 2,500 miles and gave everyone a koozie with their logo on it. 😁

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angie kujawa · April 26, 2026

I am a hospice nurse. That liquid morphine is not strong at all. A whole syringe which is 1ml is only 5mg. Most pts take a quarter of that. Morphine tabs start at 15 mg and go up to 200 mg. The whole bottle of morphine is 100 mg. Its not going to kill you if you take the whole bottle. Its fast acting and wears off quickly. Probably why the pudding didn't work. Now combine that morphine with flexeril and long Islands.... you gonna die.

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Robin Church · April 26, 2026

James talking about pudding skin is making me nauseous!!

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KarenRocks444 · April 26, 2026

2 1/2 hours?!! Sounds like they were cooking with an Easy Bake oven. 🤣🤣

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Kathy Z · April 26, 2026

The Curley case was in my area. She gave him a huge dose of thallium in a drink while he was dying in the hospital. He was exhimed several times. My dad was the coroner.

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Kari like the movie Carrie · April 26, 2026

Poor Jimmie!!! I’d eat your cupcakes!!! That’s so sweet you made them with your daughter

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Danielle Plett · April 25, 2026

Yaaaaas with the pudding skin😂

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Miller Hinds · April 25, 2026

I didn't know I had a Merry Manor 🤣

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Shrty2254 · April 25, 2026

This episode hits so close to home! My dad’s “wife” was the only person that lived with him. He suddenly passed away supposedly in his sleep while she was away. He had really bad tremors and couldn’t get his own meds so she would put them in a little pile at the end of the kitchen counter. He had morphine pills because he just had a surgery a couple weeks prior and was still having a lot of pain. My son and I both felt in our guts when we walked in his bedroom to see his body that she did it. Something just felt off and the things she was saying were wild. They chalked it up to natural causes. My son and I went to the state police the next day to have it investigated because she did try to kill him before but he refused to turn over the evidence that would have put her in jail. The police agreed it was suspicious but said there was no way to prove someone else didn’t give him the medicine or he didn’t take it himself so they refused to do anything and this hag still walks free today! 🤬🤬

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Erika Fultz · April 24, 2026

Also, Flexeril is fucking awesome for muscle spasms! I got some after I got a nasty back spasm on my way to work. One of my docs gave me some and I felt AMAZING! 🤭 #kindahighatwork

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Erika Fultz · April 24, 2026

Why would a half day be an hour less than a regular day? That's ridiculous. My son's minimum days are 8-11:15. He's in 7th grade

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Joe B · April 24, 2026

James & Jimmie should do a full episode on Tracy Castor because the way the police proved she tried to kill her daughter was pretty funny. The woman was literally DTDS (Dumber Than Dog Shit).

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Joe B · April 24, 2026

I love any episode where a killer is mocked for a recipe they claim is their specialty but everyone else hates. Lori Vallow’s green chile chicken enchiladas are at the top of the list.

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Amy Sousa · April 24, 2026

Oh James, I did not have your commitment to pudding skin on my bingo card 😂

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Rosemarie Cawkwell · April 24, 2026

The discussion about puddings made me think. The skin on custard is the best. Or the crispy top on a rice pudding made in the oven. I don't know what 'pudding' is in the US, but in the UK it's also another name for dessert as well as being certain desserts, like Christmas pudding.

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Patrick Burns · April 24, 2026

You guy’s are the best.

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Grace Luterek · April 24, 2026

Pudding is disgusting no matter how it's made.

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Jooz · April 24, 2026

I love pudding skin too!

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Liesl Manone · April 24, 2026

Two words, guys: Aqua Tofana

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Coda King · April 24, 2026

Omg I thought I was the only one with the pudding skin. And finding things that are short and long to get the most skin. Couldn’t be more accurate for me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Liesl Manone · April 24, 2026

When my husband was dying of cancer, he was given hospice quality stuff. There's NO WAY Alan was able to do ANYTHING after ingesting that.

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Kyle Statz · April 24, 2026

George trepal used thallium on his neighbors in Florida around 175 or something

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Nope FYou · April 24, 2026

Good one

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Sirae Kettula · April 24, 2026

I still haven't heard my name and I've been a patron for 3 months. Is there something I'm doing wrong? LOL

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Carla · April 24, 2026

Maybe Jimmi just really messed it up?

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Susan Nelson · April 24, 2026

I’m not an apologist for Nancy Grace but her fiancé was murdered and I think that is the reason she’s so intense about perpetrators.

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Marina · April 24, 2026

I was a CNA at a large hospital. I did IVs, drew blood for all the tests (except for arterial blood), prepped patients for surgeries, inserted urinary catheters, trained nursing students in IVs, venipuncture plus all the basics I mentioned, and did many more things. Yes, there was “ass wiping” as well, but nurses did that too. But they also relied on us to do all the other things I mentioned, and then some.

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Liesl Manone · April 24, 2026

CNAs work harder than a lot of people in the hospital. Thank you for caring for us!

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melissa speirs · April 24, 2026

Not something l normally share but my mother murdered my father by poisoning. She spiked his hot chocolate with anti anxiety meds. She tried to convince the police that he committed suicide because of his poor relationship with me! Said we had a fight the day before. l wasn't even in our state that day. That was easy to prove. This was in 2014. It's still not resolved because she is super wealthy and has the best lawyers. Guys lm a Criminolgist and know the cops running the case. ld normally be the person assisting in the case! It was kind of embarrassing and is still embarrassing. My mother is a psychopath!

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Dawn Davis · April 24, 2026

I work in a doctor’s office. Patients bring in food. I NEVER eat for this very reason. 😂😂

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Jeffrey Meives · April 24, 2026

CHON is what we're made of: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Biology teacher here 👨‍🔬🧬🧫

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Maggie King · April 24, 2026

A roommate of mine in '76 had a Vette. He worked at a car paint shop. Without protective gear. I called it his "penile extension". Cuz that's what it is.

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Katie Hardwick · April 24, 2026

😂😂you’re so wrong on this sociopath thing. They’re both diagnoses. I come from the medical field

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Allison Kunz · April 24, 2026

I live 20 minutes from here and my son goes to IU Columbus. I was so excited to listen to this one and it didn’t disappoint:)

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Kelly Woodward · April 24, 2026

I'm surprised they didn't mention the lady that made the poison beef wellington with deadly mushrooms! Also the case they covered about the guy giving people poison cookies.

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Alicia C · April 23, 2026

I love a koozie.

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Alyse Christensen · April 23, 2026

Not pudding skin 🤮🤮

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Renee · April 23, 2026

Ooooo I know this case!!! It's wild.

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Samantha · April 23, 2026

How the hell can you take out life insurance on a guy aged 60 without a medical check? My husband and I took out a variety of polices for personal and business reasons in our 20s and early 30s, and each one required a blood test from the company prior! Not to mention it has to be stupid expensive to insure someone that age?

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70Boss302 · April 23, 2026

Could someone have over 100 Flexeril in 2007? Absolutely. This was before they put the hammer down on prescriptions. In 2007, doctor shopping and being overprescribed is at its peak. I was a new nurse at the time, and saw plenty of Rxs for 120 pain pills a month. 4/dayx30 days, with 6 refills. That was normal. And in Indiana? 100%.

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Travis WTAF · April 25, 2026

While in Texas in 2015 I had a muscle spasm in my upper back and a doctor wrote a prescription for 280 Flexeril 10mg. I took two and finally took them to the CVS to be disposed of a few years ago.

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Susan Nelson · April 23, 2026

Psychopathy is generally cons to have a genetic component; sociopathy is considered to be the result of trauma or environmental experience. Psychopathy and sociopathy overlap in presentation and share a lack of empathy for others. Even though they are not synonymous, I wouldn’t want to share any time or my life with either. They are both potentially lethal.

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Bean · April 23, 2026

I am subscribed to a few patreons and the amount you get from $5 with you guys has to be an all time Patreon deal. Love you guys.

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Em · April 23, 2026

I was just thinking this too. My best-spent $5!

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Becca Newberry · April 23, 2026

She's the dead man's husband 🤣 and that's the correction.

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Barbara John-Lay · April 23, 2026

Ohmygod I’m out at “pudding skin”. 🤢🫠🤣

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Makayla · April 23, 2026

So my grandpa died on Sunday (dementia, heart attack, a fall). His name was Gary. His last "comfort care" med was roxanol. These guys have been like my security blanket since 2016 so this episode is morbidly serendipitous and comforting. If anyone wants a reason to make a drink, you could have a Windsor squirt (those 2 specifically) to honor my long haul trucker, Copenhagen chewing, fisherman, gardener, nature loving gramps ❤️ and, as he would always point out, "it's a beautiful day" guys.

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Em · April 23, 2026

Aw, love to you and your gramps. It's been 20 years and I still miss mine! May your grandpa's memory be a comfort. 🫂

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Shauna Rogers · April 23, 2026

We gotta know if Sara hid all the cook & serve pudding!! I envisioned a huge messy kitchen 🤣🤣💖💖 great show, I loved watching and listening to the discussion 🙃

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Kay Mac · April 23, 2026

FYI in the Uk at least John Thomas is a nickname for a 🍆

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Manley Hilburn · April 23, 2026

I know it has been a few years, but Jimmy and James have forgotten about how much the Anniston Star hated them.

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Melissa Blue · April 23, 2026

Audrey Marie Hilley is my all time favorite small town murder episode. When I recommend the show to people, that’s the episode I recommend first

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MJ O'keeffe · April 23, 2026

I heard about a kid in high school who wanted to get high so took a bunch of flexerall, and he ended up shitting in his own pants, because flexerall relaxed every muscle, including his sphincter

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Leslie A · April 23, 2026

Sf8z

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Catherine Goodman · April 23, 2026

I a D L lol

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Rosie · April 23, 2026

Cookie dates????? What happened to tasting each others genitals?

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Em · April 23, 2026

I DIED LAUGHING AT THIS!!

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Crystal Winters · April 23, 2026

Jimmie I would eat your cupcakes! 🧁

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Amy Sousa · April 24, 2026

Lol he was like, “We use the good stuff!” I felt bad for the cupcakes 🧁!

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Shannon Hoffmeyer · April 23, 2026

Like she isn't evil enough, she stole a dying person's pain medication. Special place in hell

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Melissa Bilotta · April 23, 2026

Nancy Grace… one of the most irritating people on Earth. Her voice makes me angry.

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Mary · April 23, 2026

Mmmm, pudding skin ❤️

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Tim Olson · April 23, 2026

Jimmy, Led Zeppelin is not a cover band.

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Travis WTAF · April 25, 2026

They covered quite a few songs.

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Tyler Patrick Hales · April 23, 2026

Regarding the desserts with odd names. My grandma had a recipe for what was called "Cat Shit Cookies" 🤣🤣🤣

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Dr Phil Goode 👹🌲🔥 · April 23, 2026

LMAO, I've got a big bottle of Flexaril sitting by me now. I get 270 every 3 months. So yea you can get a large quantity of them, it's not a narcotic but it'll def make you take a long nap. I def wouldn't leave it just sitting out 4 company. I think Drs just give a shit load of them out so they don't give opiates or narcotic sedatives out.

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Danielle Hilton · April 23, 2026

The log cabin on 200 acres was (rumored) tony Stewart's... I think that's his name. NASCAR driver guy

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Danielle Hilton · April 23, 2026

My dad lives there. Not that anyone cares lol but here I am telling it 🥴

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Smalls (smallenoughtofit) · April 23, 2026

The reason people prefer public activities over "glasses of wine and see where this goes" is that women don't wanna be murdered Everyone tells you, "go somewhere public for a first date", but a lotta people do that for the first *several*

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M F · April 23, 2026

Don't think that Snoop reference went unnoticed

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Louis Ludwig · April 23, 2026

The Gulf of Tonkin attack was mostly fabricated but the Navy did do some quite dangerous river patrols during the war.

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Ginger Thomas · April 23, 2026

Columbus isn’t a college town. IU Columbus only has 872 undergrads and 60 grad students. It’s a satellite school for Indiana Univwrsity. Columbus is an engineering town—Cummins cranking out those HEMIs, etc. That’s why the Asian population is higher—engineers working at Cummins. They call it Athens because they promote architecture.

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David Martin · April 23, 2026

I used to take flexaril for leg cramps, and I HATED the way I felt the next morning. I felt loopy and foggy.

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Jessica Schafer · April 23, 2026

You can tell James is a genuine Seinfeld fan...pudding skin! Hahah

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Tori Gagne · May 4, 2026

That was my first thought too!

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Carl · April 23, 2026

The lady who poisons with antifreeze is a great episode on Forensic Files.

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CINESCREEN STUDIOS LLC - Producers of MASH-UP Companion Podcast to Web Series · April 23, 2026

Yes!!! Remember, the so-called suicide note she said her daughter left was like a typed dissertation?! The forensic folks were laughing about how atypical it was to leave a suicide note that long. One of my favorite episodes! That bitch Stacey Castor was beyond diabolical— two murdered husbands(they could only charge her with second hubby murder) and attempt on daughter plus frame-up. I saw a clip from the trial with her daughter on the stand confronting her mother—heartbreaking. Also, it was her sister that saved her life when she found her and called the paramedics. I believe Castor would have tried to kill the second daughter too.

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Mary · April 23, 2026

Squidward had a whole evening designated to being fancy. That’s how he handled his fancy needs.

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Carl · April 23, 2026

Were they sued? Almost every episode on each show is “allegedly” this “in my opinion” that with emphasis on it

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Makayla · April 23, 2026

I think most true crime people use the word allegedly. An easy protection

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Jaclyn Hazel · April 23, 2026

My boyfriend surprised me yesterday with tickets to your show in Massachusetts!!!! Best birthday gift ever!!!!!!

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Rosie · April 23, 2026

Hell yea

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Jay · April 23, 2026

https://westchester.news12.com/new-details-emerge-in-apparent-poughkeepsie-murder-suicide-investigation Assuming this is what they were referencing.

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Just Jamie · April 23, 2026

I fucking gagged listening to James rave about pudding skin! The chunks got me.

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Neil Polling · April 23, 2026

Absolutely love that you refuse to raise the price of your patreon... fuckin awesome blokes 🍻 Cheers guys

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BigTiffDog · April 23, 2026

Jimmie: “I am NOT ruining my cheeseburger!” 😂

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Kelly Petro · April 23, 2026

So excited my hometown made it 😂

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Veronika Zhukova · April 23, 2026

Pepè the Pew

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Bailey Herndon · April 23, 2026

And Indiana has a Tipton too 😂

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Mishka Wolfy · April 23, 2026

Pudding skin.....shudder. texture kills me.

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Audrey · April 23, 2026

‘Led Zeppelin - Best cover band of all time’ Absolutely killed me. That almost seems T-shirt worthy.

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biggidy2555 · April 23, 2026

Cant wait to drop that line on someone

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Not a scientist · April 23, 2026

"A sociopath is an informal term for someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD), characterized by a chronic disregard for others' rights, lack of empathy, and remorse."

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Daniel Sandomenico · April 23, 2026

She’s the ‘Cappadonna of Chefs’!! *Someone’ll get that 🍴⚠️ ⬆️

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PadrePaul Ballin · April 23, 2026

Hospice quality! 🤣👍

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Matthew Moon · April 23, 2026

So cool this is my hometown

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NotSoSilentBob · April 24, 2026

I'm from Edinburgh, close enough 👍

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Johnny Harlon · April 23, 2026

Corvette Coozie is a GREAT punk band name

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Daniel Sandomenico · April 23, 2026

The ol’…“Corvette Koozie Keychain Combo” 💪🤘

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Crowded Crow · April 23, 2026

Hmmm... This sounds a good deal similar to another case they covered, but I think it was an express episode and I'd swear pudding was the poisoned vehicle. It's tickling my memory enough I'll be going back through the STM catalogue. Damn it, Pietragallo!

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Crystal Christiansen · April 23, 2026

Oatmeal maybe??

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rach · April 23, 2026

now i want a koozie 😂 merch idea?

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Bob Marcus · May 19, 2026

The perfect male accessorie

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Emm · April 23, 2026

Too good!!!😊

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Jimmie's Asshole Scuba Buddy · April 23, 2026

May it never end

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Mirissa Misiowiec · April 23, 2026

I ❤️ Louisiana folks. We had a Chaplain Pham in our Army unit, his parents were refugees from Vietnam and he was raised in South Louisiana. Sweetest man, no one could understand a word he said.

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Em · April 23, 2026

Erotic Cookie Painting--an under-explored niche market?

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70Boss302 · April 23, 2026

YES! Wednesday evening at last! Thank you J&J 🩵🩵