Fleetwood Mac's Rumours with Carolyn Kendrick

Yes I'm biased towards her as an artist, but I have no problem taking Stevie's "side", given that both her and another ex having reported that Lindsey was physically and emotionally abusive.

When you explained podcast editing, it ruined my fantasy that you are a savant at conversation timing. And also made me feel a little bit less broken for constantly talking over, interrupting and other ASD unpleasantness.

Does YWA have an email? I have SO MANY THOUGHTS after this episode and going down a rabbithole and it’s a LOT to share here 😆

I couldn't put my finger on what sounded weird to me about the last year's episodes of YWA, but now I know—it's the never-overlapping dialogue. As an autistic person, it hurts my brain when people talk over each other and I'm expected to follow it, so I agree that that should be limited. But all this time I thought Sarah's guests just didn't like her because their reaction sounds are delayed till after she's done talking. It sounded to me like they weren't engaging with her, as if they waited for her to finish talking, thought, "Surely there's more...", waited a beat, and then reacted out of confusion or pity.

Heh, except a Robert Altman movie. Re overlapping dialogue in movies

I love Fleetwood Mac so much, and I have from a very young age, which definitely bemused my parents. My personal favorite song on this album is The Chain, and I’m not quite certain what that says about me. But if I were playing FMK with the songs, I would be: Fuck: Go Your Own Way Marry: The Chain Kill: Oh Daddy

Karen Carpenter part 2 had me tearing up. It’s parasocial love, but I don’t care. I think that episode is a great example of how sometimes parasocial connection is still human connection, and human connection is everything.

I loved this episode. Rumours and Fleetwood Mac in general evoke powerful memories for me because my parents used to play this album on eternal repeat whenever we went on long car rides (as a Midwesterner, I spent half of my childhood in a car driving somewhere). These songs were hugely influential in the development of my own emotional vocabulary and navigating the growth from childhood to young adulthood. I never took the time to learn about the back story of this album, so thank you for sharing this.

I heard the album a million times, but never that song, so now to this day I always think it's weird when I hear it on the album, because I'm not used to it!

I think this is hilarious: we used to drive all across the country when I was little, and this was the time of tapes. My dad LOVED "Rumors" and made a tape of it off the album, but he hated Christine McVee, and so he didn't record "Daddy" on the tape.

Wow, Silver Springs is also my favorite Fleetwood Mac song!! I had no idea the story behind it before listing to this episode. The line “you’ll never get away from the sound of the women who loved you” has a whole other meaning now! Also, there’s an episode of Song Exploder about Go Your Own Way that is pretty interesting: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7HSaSLVJkbICMMRd9jea0b?si=8I2VuK1MQwuLnE3h38OK2A

Excellent episode. I loved hearing the connections you drew between FM’s production process and your own.

Can we get a release of the 8 minute version of silver springs a la Taylor swifts all too well?

I loved this! This bonus episode made me go back and listen to Rumors. I've got it on repeat now 😅

I'm not really a big Fleetwood Mac person but I loved this episode. A great story and production is such an interesting perspective to take. Really cool to hear about how the music-making process has changed!

Love the episode! I’m pretty sure Micks wife that divorces him at the time is Jenny Boyd, sister of Patti Boyd Harrison Clapton.

Thank you so much for this! I knew a lot of the songs on Rumours (who hasn’t?) but had never listened to it in full, and now I can’t stop. Silver Springs—!!!!!

Loved this episode! I've been listening to Rumours a bunch this year since hearing "The Chain" on a pivotal episode of Our Flag Means Death, lol. It's one of the few albums I can listen to top to bottom, no skips. I loved your discussion of Stevie's writing style and the emotions she layers in. Love her more than ever.

Thanks for bringing Silver Springs into my life 💖

This was an amazing episode! So, so good! I hope you open it up for others to hear. I loved the trademark empathy over a chaotic situation and adored getting the perspective of Carolyn’s musician and sound engineer expertise. I llke knowing that all this was going on while I was in high school across the bridge in SF. My WTF moment was when Sarah said something about Paul Kantner and Stevie Nicks getting together. If you see this Sarah, I’d love clarification! Did they actually get together? I babysat for his kids , and my brother was close to him, so I knew him a bit.

Great episode, and so timely 🥰 "Rumours" is a perfect album in my opinion. I love them all!

This is my number one favorite album. I don’t think there’s such a thing as giving it too much love! And timely; RIP Christine ❤️

I really don’t like this episode because I can’t even listen to it for 20 mins without pausing it and going to listen to “Rumors” 😂 Lovely job, Sarah!!

Was waiting for this one! Did not disappoint

My parents had The Dance on video and CD, so I grew up loving Silver Springs. I cannot believe they kept Oh Daddy on the album and not Silver Springs. The audacity! The injustice!

I loved this episode and learned so much about music from Carolyn. I am v attached to Rumours bc when the pandemic first hit my husband and I decided we would listen to Rumours once a day every day we were in quarantine, which brought us so much joy until we were at like day 75 and realized the pandemic wasn’t going anywhere. We realized we had to stop or we’d ruin the album for ourselves. My now-expert opinion is that You Make Lovin’ Fun is the best song on the album by far.

Absolutely loved this episode, FM has long been among my top loves and Landslide really carried through my dad's passing. Can we have "if you can't take the heat, perhaps contact OSHA about proper ventilation or something" on a tee?

This episode was great. Awesome to hear Carolyn talk about the inner workings of recording music alongside the exploration of personal drama and the creative process. I end up wondering would the end result have been so good if it hadn't been so hard for them all? I suppose we'll never know. Also my partner and I like to sing Little Lies to each other, except we change the lyrics to "Feed me fries, feed me sweet little fries."

Thanks for this brilliant piece. I have to put my hat in the ring for my favorite FM song, Tusk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKCucBUWx5o Tusk was one of the first albums I bought, I was 15 when it came out.

wow haven’t stopped thinking about this since i listened. i’m not a huge fleetwood mac fan beyond liking the couple of songs i’ve heard but this really made me want to dive in. i also read daisy jones and the six a month or two ago and i had read it was partially inspired by fleetwood mac but didn’t know anything about the band. listening to this was so crazy because of how much of it is reflected in that novel, while still having its own very unique storyline. totally recommend if you’re intrigued by the music industry in the 60s-70s-80s. also highly recommend the audiobook, it has a full cast which works so well because the novel is structured like a documentary, telling stories thru individual interviews with all the different people.

This was wonderful on so many levels. It took me awhile, back then, to get into Fleetwood Mac - I was raised with a more purist rock/folk ethic (with a healthy side of Broadway), and they always sounded too commercial to be cool. That whole explanation about not being loud was enlightening - the loudness is also a messiness that they did not have, and eventually I came to respect that - they had such restraint. In a lot of ways, the (almost literal) heartbeat of Fleetwood Mac, even before Buckingham and Nicks, is Fleetwood and Mac - that rhythm section, drums and bass, is so solid and grounding. Also I am a singer, and, especially as a kid, I would imitate whatever I was singing - it used to freak my sister out when I would be singing along to the record and my voice would switch from billygoat Nicks to cool deep McVie.

The idea that you only know what you think you might say is very comforting to me who so often gets tongue-tied.

RIP Christine! I am a huge Fleetwood Mac fan, thank you so much for this episode!

Probably my favorite episode to date, love you guys 💖

This episode was such a treat!!! Listened to the album front to back afterwards. 🤌 thank you Sarah!

I listened to this high while making art and it was a beautiful pairing! Thank you both

What amazing timing, releasing this today! I have to confess that although I've listened to the "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumours" albums countless times since I bought them both at Jamesway* when they were brand-new, I am not familiar with "Silver Springs" (because I rarely bought singles) and need to remedy that tonight. No trip to Jamesway necessary. Regarding the relationship between Stevie and Christine, they were actually close friends and allies in the band. More here: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/entertainment/stevie-nicks-christine-mcvie-friendship-cec/index.html *Jamesway was like a slightly downscale Woolworths --imagine if RIte-Aid and Kohls had a baby that was kind of ugly.

I’m a musician in college and my bandmate and I just broke up romantically. What Carolyn said about falling in and out of love during the creative process is so insightful and made me feel so heard. This episode also really helped me process the death of Christine McVie, who was a major inspiration to me. I needed this episode in so many ways. THANK YOU BOTH 💗

Can you do an OJ compilation? I want to revisit your OJ/Nicole episodes. Can you compile them into a grouping for us? ❤️❤️❤️

So my 60yo mum is dabbling in dating apps at the moment and her main observations have been: - Every man is lying about his height and all mum wants to know is what shoes she should be wearing on dates as a 5’8 woman. - They all like camping. - They all love Fleetwood Mac. Given that a huge degree of her dating demographic is likely to be other divorcés, I think Rumours really explains that last one. She’s just finding it jarring as someone whose favourite music is New Wave and Punk.

This episode was so delightful. I especially loved what Carolyn's technical knowledge brought to the conversation.

I was so ready for this episode! I had a totally Stevie Halloween (dressed up as her and coincidentally there were some Stevie-themed events I attended), and I think I’ve listened to Gold Dust Woman and Sisters of the Moon every day since then.

I make everyone I know watch the 1997 live performance of Silver Springs with me. It's a masterpiece.

I love this episode so much! Oh my god. And it’s lovely hearing Carolyn’s perspective here. Amazing

As always, I learned so much from this podcast. When I tell people about this podcasts and list what I love about, one thing i always say is its amazing how remarkably good you guys, and guests, are at not talking over each other. I had no idea. I also used to listen to this album as a child and didn't think much of it until going back to it after this episode and realized how much I really really love it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyye! I see someone traveled near Springfield, MO with that Kum and Go reference.

It's so funny that you made this episode now. I have been joking for months that Rumors is my song of the summer for 2022, because it has been playing almost everywhere I go.

I need to get my husband to listen to this episode, because even though he’s a bigger fan of Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac (Need Your Love So Bad was our first dance), he would greatly enjoy the Lindsay Buckingham slander.

Thank you for this

Rewatched the 1997 live album, The Dance, and I found myself weeping when they played silver springs … https://youtu.be/eDwi-8n054s

Sarah I have a t-shirt that says “Silver Springs Belonged On Rumours” if you want to borrow it sometime

Carolyn talking about the precariousness of media and where we store it made me think of all the fires that have happened. The masters that were lost at Universal and previous fires where many silent era films burned. Not too long ago a factory in Banning, CA burned. It was 1 of 2 places in the world that made lacquers. It took me several tries to even figure out what a lacquer was and why it’s so important. I have a CD with a Tom Waits recording of “It’s Over” that’s so much better than the version available on Apple Music or Spotify. Why did this great recording only make it to the soundtrack of a movie time forgot. The streaming era is still missing so much.

The sexiest part of this whole episode is when the engineers went out of their way to save the master track!!

The year Rumours came out, I was one year out of high school, going to Brookdale Community College part time, working retail full time, and practically living at the college theater. Half my friends were gay and the closet was a constant situational negotiation. I was a theater dork, folksinger, occasional beard, non-religious virgin, bisexual (when hardly anyone thought that bi was a real thing, sigh), poet (we were all a poet), living on the Jersey Shore. This was before AIDS, before Reagan was president, before Times Square was sanitized. We had a huge gay bar in Asbury Park, midnight showings of Rocky Horror had migrated out of NYC and become our beloved thing, where suburban boys could wear fishnets and throw toast and we were all a nascent, nerdy, rainbow, safe in our numbers… this was the world that I was in when Rumours came out. It is such a perennial album, and managed to be a deeply important part of the soundscape for generations, so hooked into sensory memories. Thanks for this episode, and for the memories.

I've been looking forward to this from the moment you mentioned it was in the works. I think it will be cathartic to listen to in the wake of such sad news, thank you for sharing it with us all.

Excited to listen. I was absolutely shocked and devastated to hear yesterday. It really did feel like they would last forever. )’:

I am 30 minutes in and I thought Stevie and Lindsey were a lesbian couple up until now 😂 I was thinking wow an openly gay couple in 1975? Slayyy

RIP Christine McVie :-(

Give ‘Bare Trees’ a good listen. (Spare me a little of your love).