Marilyn's Dress with Eve Lindley and Caroline O'Donoghue

Source for that last ywa from Eve? Everything I can find online says Jayne Mansfield did stage it but Sophia Loren was genuinely uncomfortable lol

I’m bummed Eve didn’t talk about the damage the dress sustained after Kim wore it. It’s cool to reuse pieces, but not if you fucking tear them.

I was very sad to hear Sarah describe herself as "stupid" at the beginning of this episode, even in a jokey way. We are all interested in your opinions because you are intelligent and aticulate! Even if it's in jest, I find it difficult to find women's voices who aren't self-deprecating at the moment...

So psyched that you mentioned Smash!

pls do a multi part marilyn series 🙏🙏🙏

Lecture Note on William Travilla’s Costume Design for Marilyn Monroe in The Seven Year Itch. By Professor of Production and Costume Design, Savannah College of Art and Design While listening to the patron on Marlyn Dress’s, I was reminded of a notable point regarding William Travilla’s iconic white halter dress worn by Marilyn Monroe in The Seven Year Itch (1955). Often perceived as a symbol of pure cinematic sensuality, the dress was, in fact, a masterclass in controlled design engineered to comply with the censorship standards of the Motion Picture Production Code (commonly known as the Hays Code). Travilla, ever conscious of the industry’s modesty restrictions, constructed the bodice of the dress with internal wiring to ensure that no unintended shadows or outlines of Monroe’s body would be visible. This reinforced structure ensured the garment remained securely in place even during the now famous subway grate scene and eliminated any risk of wardrobe malfunction or visual impropriety that could be flagged by the censors. 😌

I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it but I believe it’s a myth that Anna Wintour approves all the outfits for the met gala.

Eve is my favorite guest!

this was a good one!

I wonder how much of the backlash against Kim has anything to do with her darker skin tone

Disappointed in this episode honestly. Unlike most episodes, I feel like the view of the karadashians wasn’t balanced. I don’t think billionaires are “good for the environment of entertainment”. This family is famous for racial appropriation largely. While it did give a more positive impression of them that I did appreciate. I wish the harmful said of this family was also given space because it’s just as important. It’s genuinely hard to compare these two woman, they have had wildly different lives and wildly different upbringings, with the only intersection being fame.

Random but Zendaya actually has worn a tribute to a Cher dress by Bob Mackie!! I think at a rock and roll fame induction. And people of course loved it.

I just listened to the april hoax episode where you briefly mentioned "a child called it" and this book is on my shelf from when I was like 8 years old and I thought it was true my whole life. Please do a book club episode on this. I need the truth.

Eve's mention of grandfather clock maintenance has activated my ever-lurking desire to mention pipe organs: I love how sometimes solving an unexpected problem when you work on a pipe organ will be a matter of, like, adding a modern janky paper clip fix alongside the last janky paper clip fix somebody added in the 1950s. These well-maintained old things really do connect us to the people of the past. 😆 Also thank you for reactivating my desire to watch Costube videos. I do love to see somebody replicate the obscure 1840s fashion plate of their dreams or whatever.

For me it would be the dress that Tina Turner performs in at Live Aid with Mick Jagger. Which brings me to a hot take of mine. Not that Marilyn wants to live forever on Rue 21 shirts and shot glasses but I wish the figure and beauty of Tina Turner was a little more yess queenified in a mainstream way that it is. I take comfort in knowing that maybe it’s just the world’s awe of her music and showmanship that keeps that from happening but as a Tina Turner fan I want to always advocate for her extraordinary physique too.

Oh my gosh the memory of TCM with my father. I resonated so hard with this. Even the age gap (my dad is also 40 years older than me). I have so many great memories of this. And I absolutely had that Audrey Hepburn phase, the Katherine Hepburn phase... all the Hepburns!

Sarah's "I remember that day on Twitter" reminds me of Contrapoints' Envy video, and also of my burning desire that one day they'll invite Natalie on this show. 🥺

Loved this episode so much. That people had strong feelings about this moment speaks to the cultural weight behind clothes. Objects are neutral and yet will always carry meaning, and garments are objects. Loved the FIT shout out! I interned in the archive once upon a time. Would pay money to wear Rudi Gernreich's Monokini.

can confirm a trip to the FIT museum is just like medical school (also it’s free to the public!!)

Dream Team Podcast! Just an added bit of info on her vault - Hugh Hefner purchased the vault next to her. Richard Poncher purchased the one above and specifically requested to be buried face down…His widow tried to sell the plot in 2009 but the deal fell through so…he’s still there.

I just threw this on, and I almost missed -style of dress

I looked up photos and... yeah Kim does not look that great in it imo. I don't understand why they wouldn't just commission a dress that matches her skin tone and measurements to give the naked effect as an homage rather than insisting on The Dress. But I tend not to understand the mystique people have about specific objects, especially celebrity objects.

Baby's first obsession with a dress: Olivia Wilde in the marchesa glitter ombre ball gown she wore to the golden globes (I think? It was during the late House MD seasons so maybe it was the Emmys. But!) imo the shoes she chose were hideous but the dress is good enough to counteract it. Also her green dress while pregnant, which I think was either marchesa or.....Versace? Valentino? It was a lovely glittering piece from one of them but nevertheless. Oh god also okay this one Christian Siriano dress Nicki Minaj wore on SNL. I thought about it for months. IDC abt Nicki but the dress is iconic

I know there’s a subset of rightful hate for the kardashians about being so wealthy and out of touch and questionable political allegiances but I do feel most of the mainstream hate is because culturally we hate to see women who can claim their own fame and sexuality and who aren’t able to be shoved in the corner because their MOM has their back. I really feel like the momager thing is not talked about enough bc people make fun of her for it but really who would you rather have managing you and trust to look out for your best interests than your mother who you’re actually very close to and actually have a decently good relationship with. People don’t really talk enough about how the kardashians are an unprecedented example of female familial relationships in a super interesting way I tend to admire.

Soooo good! Thanks ladies!! My dress would be the black dress Rosemary Clooney wears in White Christmas with the long gloves and the sparkly broach on her butt when she sings love you didn’t do right by me. It’s fantastic!

I loved this episode so much as you dived into one of my favorite topics: fashion history! Eve's description of why preservation of fashion is so spot on and I'd love to see Sarah continue to dive into the topic. There are SO MANY misconceptions in common knowledge about dress history that you could probably do several episodes on many topics, but I think the most egregious is the use and function of corsetry throughout history. Modern audiences see these as literal torture devices, but their use and function in women's lives paints such a picture of the everyday life of woment throughout history.

I always remember reading that Marilyn Monroe was so photogenic because her face was covered in tiny hairs that reflected the light, and then reading the exact opposite, that she shaved her whole face and that's why it glowed. That feels like a very Marilyn contradiction. Clothes are just fabulous objects anyway.

I always assumed Kim chose this specific Marilyn dress because it is essentially the predecessor to the sparkly skin-tight naked dresses that Kim became so known for from about 2015 onward

Would be interested to hear how MM and KK changed the standard of beauty and also suffered the consequences of a change they couldn’t keep up with once their aesthetic started to wane

I love any and all Eve guest episodes the most.

Also hoping for a Marilyn deep dive - just tried listening to a different podcast about her and it was tuuuuurrrrrible. I only trust YWA to tell me the truth

I wish people still made bespoke everyday clothes. That would be my one lavish thing to have if money were no object. All my clothes made for me to fit my body. The dream of dreams!

listening to this while at watchmaker school - it's true that watchmakers would write notes in old clocks!! often it has been specific letters and numbers to indicate which watchmaker or workshop did repairs, and then a reference number so one can look up details in a ledger. big old clocks such as grandfather clocks have often gone through many repairs and having notes on what was done and when can be helpful, especially if it required some improvisational fixes! anyway i think the art of preserving old things is very beautiful and interesting and i enjoyed this bonus episode a lot

Thank you for this lovely gift. The easy rapport you three have lifted my soggy-winged little spirits today 🥰

Yes please, a Marilyn deep dive would be amazing!!

Oh please do a Marilyn deep dive!!

I would love to wear any of Emma Stone’s costumes from Cruella, especially the red dress. I’ve watched that movie many many times mostly for the costumes.

Did I hear “not to 50”!? A princess bride reference?! I love this show more & more. Fantastically done!

Oh god, this made me think about the first time I saw Marilyn and my parents had to tell me who she was. There was a life size statue of her with the billowing white dress in a hotel! I think I was about 7. Thinking back that was really weird…this hyper sexual image of her was everywhere, even decades later. My parents are Chinese immigrants and even they knew about it.

For archival pieces to wear, my first thought was the ruby slippers and then the green Keira Knightley dress before Sarah even said that 😂

I think the thing that drove me absolutely crazy about Kim wearing that particular Marilyn dress is she had ALREADY DONE an homage to it in 2019 - SO NOT EVEN THAT LONG BEFORE - and she looked STUNNING. I'm not a Kim fan, but she 100% pulled off the wet naked look that year and I don't know why she felt the need to poorly recreate it in Marilyn's dress. I suppose maybe wearing the original was part of the point from her POV, but it felt like pointlessly retrod ground.

Not me picturing the Met gala where Kim unwittingly exposed a looted sarcophagus like "yeah she doesn't look naked AT ALL" ... wrong archival dress lol. But MY dress would definitely be the Goblin Queen from Labyrinth

I love Eve so much 😍🥰

I never interpreted the sophia loren picture as judgmental. my gay-o-vision made me see it as her hardcore checking jayne out.

As far as I know, Sabrina Carpenter DOES wear a wig PRECISELY not to ruin her hair

WHAT A CROSSOVER

great ep!

As a FIT alumni and vintage fashion lover, this was an amazing episode and such a lovely birthday present.

having one of the smartest people in my scope say they also don’t really understand their taxes is so validating

I just want Eve to know that Sabrina Carpenter is naturally blonde. Her stylist claims they only do highlights every few months. I have the same color and it's pretty easy and safe to get that light.

omg this was just gorgeous. This union of these women. What a delight to listen to

I was just in Palm Springs and forever Marilyn is still there! They moved it off the plinth in the middle of the road to kind of behind a bush a few meters away.

oh marilyn is laura palmer

What a lovely episode to wake up to! Love this super group ❤️❤️❤️

Thank you all so much.

what i would pay to queen out with this trio