August 3, 2022

46 - Sid Meier's Civilization (feat. Nate Bethea)

Nate Bethea (@inthesedeserts) joins the lads for a record-breaking third time as they build wonders and conquer the world in Sid Meier’s revolutionary empire simulator: Civilization. They discuss the gamification of climate change, the problem with “Barbarians”, and the inherent optimism of hearing a satellite go “Beep, beep, beep.”

Nate’s Podcasts:

Kill James Bond!
https://open.spotify.com/show/5kQS8cE6xF7rUzO2vtCZ3s?si=6fe11f17f1bb4793

What A Hell of a Way to Die
https://open.spotify.com/show/1XEfRCDbLKOB8naNbICU6q?si=6f0a8dfde3a54023

TRASHFUTURE
https://open.spotify.com/show/4loPiV9XWjVOitg2XfzK7Q?si=ef69cc5a7b114333

Media Referenced in the Episode:

SID MEIER AT THE END OF HISTORY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0aEO7CrxM

How Sid Meier Almost Made Civilization a Real-Time Strategy Game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUM33VJRbY

Josh’s Episode of No Cartridge:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1rxqu7OqIbJOfL5QIHpA2b?si=8iq1VFBrSBigSbSV_cKgxg

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Comments (9)

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Sasha M · July 29, 2026

you guys weren't kidding when you said this would eat up ALL my time because boy howdy I spent hours on the DEMOS ALONE

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Sasha M · July 30, 2026

my laptop broke and tragically I cannot play more civ6 until it's fixed but it is a delight to relisten now that I am a Civilization Sicko. I like to gather as many horses as possible in every game.

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Rock_Punchgroin · April 20, 2026

I think the best lesson that Civ could learn from the Paradox grand strategy games is that you win by surviving a late game crisis. Thwarting nuclear annihilation, climate change, pandemics... They should treat it like surviving the age of revolutions in EU4, the Mongol invasion in CK2, or the robot uprising in Stellar (or the War in Heaven, or the Galactic Invasion)

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Tog · February 17, 2026

Thank you for Yaz Minsky recommendation

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Em Gravesong · February 21, 2025

Very late, but I have a thing to add about Civ Rev: It was not an iOS game, at first. The mobile version is a port, it was first made for Xbox 360, with the goal of streamlining the mechanics down to be playable on a controller.

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Noblese Oblahaj · February 24, 2024

The thing that really surprised me about Civilization was when I did Sputnik and Leonard Nimoy said, "I've invented a new type of nonce detector. Beep. Beep. Beep."

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WarMom · August 3, 2022

Really loved the flow of this, talking about the games mechanically, how a game progresses, and themes. Bang on the money about its positivist viewpoint. Because it was mentioned; there was a cultural victory in Civ 4, and all it entailed was getting 3 cities with Legendary Culture, just the highest tier of culture / border pop. Ultimately all you did as a result was turtle up in 3 of your early cities rushing production and try to crap out wonder after wonder.

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The Worst of All Possible Worlds · August 3, 2022

lol yeah i (josh) went back to civ 4 again to play a few rounds after recording this one. it's easy to build one cultural powerhouse city but much harder to get production up to a point where you can consistently build wonders across multiple cities. unless you have stone and marble, that is. what a dumb, unbalanced mechanic lmao

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Allen · August 3, 2022

NATE!