March 6, 2023

Edict of Brainworms

We take an in depth look at a an article by Henry Kissinger, Eric Schmidt, and Daniel Huttenlocher about how AI is going to re-catholicise the entire world, and turn Patagonia vest nerds into a class of priests. We also turn to a stupid little startup before we get into the weighty stuff.

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MI · October 28, 2024

from the not too distant (trash)future … AI chatbot pushed a teen to k— h—, a lawsuit against its creator alleges Tallahassee FL (AP) October 25, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/chatbot-ai-lawsuit-suicide-teen-artificial-intelligence-9d48adc572100822fdbc3c90d1456bd0

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Rory Fagan · March 13, 2023

This is just build up to the Butlerian Jihad

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Tahirih · March 10, 2023

Listening to this while using my new skullshaver was nicely surreal 😅

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mari · March 9, 2023

i mean. have the kissinger troupe seen photoshop? they may wanna add it to their panteon of deities 😂

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HailTheFish · March 9, 2023

That horseshit article is what happens when nobody teaches stem majors any liberal arts lmao

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CatSculptor · March 8, 2023

we're just hurtling towards our own Butlerian Jihad

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Ben Murphy · March 8, 2023

Petition to make angry Milo Stormont First Minister

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Oliver Cant · March 8, 2023

I feel good that Alice is addressing the fact that, despite it being called "AI", it seems to be lacking any I"". It's a machine learning algorithm, a glofiried search engine. This thing doesn't cognitively think for itself and doesn't do anything without being prompted. It's completely mislabelled I think to call it AI. That's all marketing hype, because every tech bro blood drinker wants to be the first to claim they finally made AI real. It's simply a mirror that reflects back to you whatever you tell it to, and you see whatever it is that you want to see. Kissenger is like a puppy in a mirror who thinks he's looking at another puppy. Like we've established before, this algorithm is biblical Satan. It cannot create anything new or make something out of nothing. It can only smoosh things together that already exist and only do so when instructed to. This is barely even the Short Circuit killer bot, let alone Skynet.

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etienne · March 8, 2023

those guys read Neuromancer and thought, yeah that's right, we *should* be regulating the use of the Lament Configuration via strong government regulations and ICE protocols. Nothing else bad happened in that novel, just Wintermute going a bit nutty with it

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Man2quilla · March 7, 2023

I'm gonna do some starsector luddic path shit against Henry Kissinger's shitty spreadsheet god

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Man2quilla · March 7, 2023

Thank you for explaining this in a way I, an American, can understand, Alice

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Man2quilla · March 7, 2023

Thanks but I prefer my Jewish, confrontational relationship with god and the unknown

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brodie · March 7, 2023

These guys just want to become the adeptus mechanics.

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as you would draw water from a stream · March 7, 2023

The capitalist lusts in his heart for absolution from his mechanical-Turk( agnostic on the fade it gives you)

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bakedpotatocat · March 7, 2023

at minute 45 and calling my shot that Riley will say that these guys want to make the Adeptus Mechanicus real (but only for fancy autocomplete)

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vercingix · March 7, 2023

Vox populi, vox dei.

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चैतन्य · March 7, 2023

Absolutely lost it at Milo's threats to the tree shedding leaves

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Red Herring McGuffin · March 7, 2023

The way Hussein says 'so' at 13:48 is a perfect strayan accent

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John Harwood · March 7, 2023

Extremely looking forward to AI Baudrillard and AI Kittler inadvertently starting WWIII. Will the Survivors Envy the Dead?

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Martin · March 7, 2023

Ah fuck, they just did Roko's Basilisk but dumber and worse. Which is challenge because Roko's Basilisk is already extremely dumb and bad.

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mari · March 9, 2023

i hear roko basilisk has given us two billionaire-born children named like a pipe models at a DIY store

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Mr Boof · March 7, 2023

would go to the blur haircut place

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probably_mudkipz · March 7, 2023

I'm honestly surprised that Riley did not bring up Blindsight this episode, if for no other reason than to get Milo to say "You think we're nothing but a Chinese Room" in a Dave Courtney voice.

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Andrew Davis · March 7, 2023

After this show fully transitions to an Islamic eschatology podcast I'm looking forward to Milo's new characters: Khawarij Baz, the mental health Naqshbandi, and Mahdi Jerk van der Klerk.

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Violet · March 6, 2023

I can't imagine how you got through this entire episode without making an Adeptus Mechanicus joke.

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Oliver Cant · March 8, 2023

I was thinking the exact same thing!

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Ben Spencer · March 6, 2023

I can't believe I'm about to defend Henry fucking Kissinger, but the WSJ article makes a few important points that I think got overlooked in the general hilarity of this episode. Large foundation models like GPT-x aren't interesting because they can do "fancy auto-complete", but because they can also demonstrate emergent behaviour. The processes used to train them can give rise to outputs that aren't just difficult to predict - they're often not represented anywhere in the training data, at least not in any recognisable way. By encoding a compact representation of the information it's given, the "semantic topology" of a network's latent space may extend to extremely abstract layers of structure that we as humans simply don't have the capacity to understand. This doesn't mean LLMs are "thinking" or conscious, but it does mean they have the ability to surprise us in increasingly unpredictable ways. The brass necks on people like Schmit and Kissinger to lecture the public on the reckless development of new technologies isn't lost on me. However, ridiculing them on the basis that they're getting all hot and bothered over a beefed-up version of Clippy misses something much more fundamental. Sure, the disruptive potential of AI threatens their comfortable seats in the cathedral. However, that doesn't mean the argument for why we should all be worried isn't also a good one.

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Violet · March 6, 2023

The counterpoint is that the emergent behavior these things generate is putting twelve fingers on someone's hand. Like, yeah, if you're gonna engage with these things totally uncritically, you might decide that hands actually have 12 fingers, but if you're gonna engage with anything uncritically you're gonna get garbage outcomes. Having to not trust a new source of information until you've verified it isn't disruptive, it's totally normal.

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kaninchen ZERO · March 6, 2023

it is wild how much of the spirituality of white supremacism boils down to pursuing apotheosis through amassing worldly power and riches

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Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep · March 6, 2023

It's funny, it went from the New Atheists not realizing that they were recreating religion to their Rationalist descendants not realizing that they're recreating god.

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Lilith Dyke · March 6, 2023

that was the best its the free one yet. ups to milo

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Borangehat · March 6, 2023

"Hadith, I don't like Hadith, I like stuff God actually said."

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Danh Nguyen · March 6, 2023

Henry “I was duped by Theranos” Kissinger? Henry “I need to die mercilessly already to atone for my evil” Kissinger? Why does he have any credibility in the professional world still? ugh

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Oliver Cant · March 8, 2023

It's a sad world no one's been motivated enough to at least make an attempt to kill the cunt.

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ND · March 6, 2023

I figure it's "We are 8 [billion people on earth?]", very corporate social responsibility black lives matter.

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Andreas Malmkjær-Mørch · March 9, 2023

I was thinking aid, like in Live 8.

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Karl Childers · March 6, 2023

dunno how tech savvy henry kissenger is but there's no way eric schmidt really believes all this bullshit. the reason they're framing "AI" as needing a priest class to interact with is obviously because they want the social control which comes with having a priest class.

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G Goldhar · March 6, 2023

Bryan Cox voice: SOME PEOPLE FIND THE FREE ONE, SOME PEOPLE LOSE IT!

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Josep C. · March 6, 2023

I heart TMK episode about this Oped just before this release. Today is a good day. A good day to start the Butlerian Jihad against the thinking machines, of course.