Back to School Conspiracy Part 2 (Premium E330)

These people don't understand the concept of proof. And it's a goddamn important concept.

Again, I’m sorry I don’t mean to be the animal STD guy, but how did elephants end up with HIV?

Wait, I’m sorry why did elephants end up with herpes in the first place? Who did it?

As teacher in UK and parent of two kids now through state system- I can concur : there is NO agenda. Just trying to teach kids with limited resources. And yes we will always address racism, sexism, homophobia. That teacher whose mum was homeschooling his kids should get another job!

“Science is the how and God is the why” is one way I have looked at the world.. still maybe to some extent. I think I’m becoming vaguely less atheistic as I get older not because I’m concerned about my own mortality, and more because I hope the worst people on this planet get SOME kind of comeuppance ffs

I've definitely noticed an uptick in 'cultural christian' rhetoric amongst pilled friends and family. It feels like downline of the idea that the core of Western Civilisation comes from a Christian morality. So, they don't want to _be_ Christian, but they want a diluted version of the moral code. Presumably as a prophylactic against 'other' moral codes, non-traditional or foreign. Maybe this is due to most schools in the UK being fairly Christian to some degree, when they were growing up? Singing hymns and having assemblies with the local vicar were pretty par for the course. As a result they think that is the answer to stopping children being different from them? Fuck knows.

"the alien theory" just chucked in there. When is david icke visiting the school for a seminar?

The thing I notice over & over again about cranks of all stripes is that they can never seem to imagine or understand that someone might oppose you simply because they think you're a misguided fuckup who can't deliver and will probably just make everything worse. It's virtually never "they don't think people with ideas like ours are up to the challenge [e.g. of running a safe & pedagogically sound school]," it's always "they hate what we're doing here." Even the common Neighborhood Crank can never seem to get it through their skull that it's not about some "agenda" against them, it's about how like their little rickety DIY drainage system or whatever is liable to flood the whole block. I mean I guess that's just what "lack of self-awareness" & "anti-expertise" can often simply look like in practice, but I feel like there's gotta be some deeper kind of motivated reasoning or something blocking the cultivation of self-awareness that people could be prompted to start to question—In an ideal world, anyway, I dunno.

Annie talking about sending children to forest school has obviously never watched them trampoline in shorts and t-shirt in the pouring rain refusing to come inside

Please do an ep Annie on the wild minds community https://www.instagram.com/wildmindscommunity?igsh=NThod201MHV1a25z

Great episode, slightly too sympathetic to the subjects though. I get the impetus, but like these people are cranks. For instance, of course they don’t think they are brainwashing children; they think they’ve uncovered the truth!

Prediction. These schools end up on the evening news for all the wrong reasons.

I love an Annie episode, even better as a 2-parter!

So Joe Rogan has been the one training us to eat bugs all along eh

I had no idea Richard Vobes had gone down the rabbit hole. I used to watch his videos when I lived in Sussex and they were about local historical sites. What a weird transformation!

I'd like to thank Annie Kelly for yet another amazing bit of journalism. I have previously home educated my two children because of failings from the school system and now they're in another school we still find ourselves fighting against the Local Authority in the mishandling of various things (The school itself is great). I can attest that during home education I have met a huge spectrum of parents who are all educating for various reasons. Ranging from the idealistic, disabilities, SEN and neurodivergence and some for safeguarding and protection. Some who are absolutely nailing it and others who shouldn't have been allowed to have kids in the first place let alone educate them. Elective home education can be amazing for everyone involved if the intentions are correct and the ability to teach is there. I thank Annie for keeping an open mind as there appears to be a prevalence of misinformation in the media around the topic.

Julian intro

It’s funny because a science education at the university level at least very much includes alternative models as part of the curriculum which these people would either be very surprised by or are already aware of and are just cynically ignoring this fact . My perspective is from geology but it would hold true for any science. Historical geology (usually 102) has a ton of time devoted to exploring the progression of the science and the conflict between (and eventual unification) uniformitarianism and catastrophism. Introductory chemistry will always teach various different models of the atom as while some are no longer considered “scientific canon” like the plum pudding model they are still valuable learning tools. The same thing happens in physics, and even math. You do learn a lot of different perspectives as a scientist, it’s kind of the whole entire point

When you're a pro-vaxx, pro-science witchy parent, you have to ask those you interact with if they're a good witch or a bad witch. Everything brought up in this ep also reminded me why I worry about most charter schools... How many Troy's are there in charter schools?!?

Almost every male teacher at these alt school sounds like the norfc meme character

I home schooled my son from grade one up to high school, mostly because he had high IQ and ADHD which was a miserable failure for me in the main stream school system. Although it was always his choice if he wanted to do home school or not. My friend had her son in a small private Christian school for the same reason. One day he came home crying when he was 5 years old telling his mom that he 'believed that God created the primordial soup'. This school was totally creation myth = fact. The fact the a five year old can conceptualize creationism and evolution, while a hearty percentage of Christian adults cannot, is alarming.

It sounds to me like these people are using the kids as slave labor.

the misunderstanding of the scientific definition of "theory" is agonizing

So many times during the episode when listening to clips of these "educators" I found myself saying "they're just lying!!" Literally everything they claim to be about is a lie. They don't want freedom or acceptance for everyone, they want freedom and acceptance for THEM to brainwash children how THEY see fit. They're as despicable as any conversion therapy abuser.

The notion that CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS should be given all the theories so they can “make up their own minds”… absolutely absurd.

Christ I hate how it sounds like I'm literally hearing my now-pilled flatearth, piss-drinking, holocaust denying, anti Vaxx mum speak in some of those recordings. - Also is our cursed rock not tainted with systemic child abuse enough without having these unregulated ambrosia mines for budding pedos refusing to comply with basic oversight? And am going crazy crazy or did Anne take a "trust me bro" response at face value when they claimed they do criminal background checks? Hopefully am just mistaken. Is understandable the desire to approach all situations with an almost naively equal fairness in the eyes of a particular idea of professionalism, but don't we remember where these new movements have been getting their radicalisation from, and the very direct political and ideologcal motivations behind the pushers of that world of propaganda? It all feeds from the same tit (accidentl theming emerged lol) of far right astroturf mental poisoning, which appears American politics has somehow made a lot of people forget that before trump, others held an ancient lost superpower known as lying, utilising dog whistles and hiding their "power levels" until around shared brain worms. Political generational amnesia is crazy to see every day in real time, it's definitely a much larger problem than first thought. But what else solution is there other than being an insufferable "hey dont forget about this crap too!" yapping human? Pamphlets? Do...pamphlets work? Or is it just memes now? Hey, we can still print those on paper too! Memelets! Pass them around your drunk arguing families for Christmas! I know I will (*try*) lol! Though hope has been lost tbh after last argument was about why trying to trick nan into becoming a holocaust denier was an unappreciated behaviour development. Could not maintain a stoic silence of diminishing returns over that one unfortunately.

He studied “literally everything” and came up with a 12 page summary. I feel this guy probably shouldn’t be left alone with kids and knives

Annie, it sounded like you were saying that the big bang theory isn’t possible to test. That’s actually the main aspect that sets it apart as an actual theory, and not just a hypothesis. It’s highly testable, and so far all of the observations and mathematical proofs have aligned to support it. Science refers to very few things as “facts” and instead uses “theory” because all of these ideas are being constantly tested and questioned.

For an example of an alternative school without quackery, consider Ao Tawhiti Discovery School in Christchurch, NZ. Teachers are called learning advisors, children select courses, and are also supported to develop their own projects. This helps them develop agency, self-confidence, and social skills. Some of my best undergrads as a University lecturer were educated at this school, which is licensed by the state to teach differently, has no fees, and requires applications to attend (not judged by prior school performance and achievement).

And great little fact from Travis at 17:53 about the theory of the Big Bang originating from a Belgian Catholic priest.

Another great episode from our National Baby ! 🤗 Will look out for that upcoming Times documentary, should be interesting.

Becoming a teacher by smoking pot and watching YouTube videos so you can’t distinguish quackery from science and philosophy!

Annie Kelly

You ever get the feeling things aren’t ….good?

Always happy to hear Annie's voice

I'll Second that ! 🥈😁

I can't wait for The Collapse