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Ugh. I'm terrified these people are parents at the school I teach at, in the "flags on fucking light poles" part of southern Britain.

One thing I can say for US public education is that we have big SPED programs and that SPED teachers are specially trained and well-paid. It’s wild to me that so many countries don’t even have SPED programs

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The way an Indian card works is Chuck Norris has a card, that card may say “Chuck Norris is found to have 3/572’s Cherokee Indian blood. So if you cut Chuck Norris into 572 equal pieces, 3 of those pieces would be full blood Cherokee. So that lets Chuck Norris claim he’s Cherokee and he gets all their benefits and votes in their elections and all that because his family is on the rolls and he’s a Cherokee Indian. Recognized by the tribe. If you don’t have the card, you’re not an Indian, no matter how much native blood you actually have.

The homeschoolers I knew growing up had their own prom.

I used to be friends with a guy who was homeschooled because of autism combined with something bad happening to him in kindergarten that he didn't elaborate on. I understand why people think homeschooling should be banned entirely but there are cases where it's very necessary.

I am one of those odd and rare few that was homeschooled and also went to boarding school. This is so spot on. My parents were like hippie evangelicals… and my mom was really well educated. However the amount of child abuse I witnessed in other homeschool families was astounding. And it is 100% true that boarding school is nothing but a trauma bond ritual for the elite.

Ayup! Notts (Nottinghamshire) shoutout @ 25.00 - big ups Annie Kelly always

Glad to hear that Annie is clear that no all homeschoolers are religious nuts that love guns and hate the gays. Both of kids are or were homeschooled. My oldest son had severe anxiety issues a long with autism and his grammar school was just not willing to work with us on how to make his education experience work. The plan was to homeschool him until Jr High but then Covid hit his first year then and we tried the remote learning and realized we were better equipped to do it ourselves. My youngest stated kindergarten during Covid and it just made sense to home school as well. My oldest went back in Highschool. Reintegrated well and will be graduating with honors in May. He also has a robust friend group of both his old home school friends and high school friends. So it all worked out.

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Totally got our asses over eating in our cars. I do love eating in my car though, I don’t care lol

Too much Julian

Every time Annie is a host I imagine her singing the theme song.

I can’t unhear that all the clips sound like the drunk british himbo from S2 of White Lotus 😭

Annie’s description of parents forced into homeschooling because my kid can’t succeed at our neighborhood school is exactly where we’re at. The staff at his school really did the best they could but we hit a wall, due to understaffing and a lack of resources. I’m a single mom who has the luxury of being able to work from home and help him through school at the same time. He’s been able to flourish at home and I feel bad for the other parents who have to force their kids to struggle cause they don’t have the resources. The other homeschool parents we’ve connected with are mostly in the same boat, and I have yet to meet another single parent who’s homeschooling.

There's a dumber and more obvious reason The Great Reset didn't take off in the US: between The Great Awakening and The Great Replacement there's no room left for any other greats in conspiracist's wrinkles.

We homeschool our children and are pretty straightforward left wingers. My wife really wanted her work to be raising our kids and we were bold enough at first to go it on one income and then lucky enough for my income to grow pretty consistently. At this point it's hard for me to think of public school as anything other than state childcare so that both parents can contribute to a capitalist system that needs to extract as much labor as possible from the working masses. My wife is not a tradwife, and she feels that right wing forces pushed for more women to enter the workforce under the guise of feminism, which is not to say that there's anything wrong with women or mothers in the workforce but rather that its not the only way to be a feminist by a long shot. It is unfortunate though - we are definitely the odd ones out in a Christian and right wing coded homeschooling culture. It has made it very difficult to find community. Public school parents and home school parents alike don't really understand us.

But Julian didn't you and Liv do a series called Perverts??

Great episode! I really appreciate the exploration of the failures of modern schooling and the need for alternatives in general. At the same time I also feel that the hosts are being far too kind to the far right conspiracy theorists who are taking advantage of this situation to indoctrinate children THEIR way. We don't need to demonize them to be real about their ignorance, hate, and straight up toxic ideology. They aren't victims of a broken system, they have agency and have CHOSEN to be horrible people and cause direct harm.

I was never homeschooled but I kind of wanted to be for a while? I had A TON of chronic absenteeism as a kid, peaking around the mid-late 00's because of depression/anxiety. I went to a child psychologist about it. They asked me if the other kids or teachers were mean to me, they weren't. They asked if my parents were abusing me, they weren't. And after that they were just stumped? Like they couldn't believe it was even possible for a kid, especially a pre-pubecent kid, to feel sad and anxious without some kind of concrete external cause. I think they handled it VERY poorly, often acting like I was being intentionally difficult or threathening/guilting ME directly that my parents would be in big trouble if I didn't go to school. Something that pissed my mom off to no end when I told her years later. But as poorly as they handled it, I don't know what would have worked either? I just kinda... grew out of it eventually? Or managed to train myself out of it? But I still don't know how. It just happened.

Young boys being raped into an understanding of power at British boarding schools is the foundation of western greatness!! You people just hate tradition!! Evil Marxists shame!!

This is an aside but I had an aha moment when Annie mentioned about how the upper class send their children to elite institutions to traumatise them. I attended Pretoria Boys High School (same place that gave us Elon Musk and Oscar Pistorius). It models itself after the British school system somewhat and of course engages in a lot of hazing and humiliation (all of which is encouraged by staff). As a chubby gay nerd I couldn't fit in for obvious reasons, but I never understood why so many alumni have such a weird cult-like fixation on the school. But what Annie said made me think. Even if the idea is to create camaraderie through shared suffering, I think all it ends up doing is teaching people to formulate in-groups and learn to be distrustful or hateful towards people outside that group.

FFS...I listened to this and now this link is following me around Facebook https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18LSSifDQ3/ And before you say it's my algorithm I'm a long term listener and I can assure you I'm not on David Ickes mailing list.

The contradiction that the UK government is simultaneously trying to indoctrinate kids while defunding public education has me wondering. Among UK conspiracists, is there an idea that there are officials in the government actively working to thwart the globalists' plans? In America, for example, the government is run by the globalists but Trump, Hegseth, etc are fighting back against their machinations the best they can. That's how Alex Jones rationalizations promises that the Trump administration hasn't kept. Is there a similar idea in the UK that politicians are fighting back against the indoctrination by pushing legislation to defund schools? Sorry I'm misunderstanding how this stuff works in the UK. My knowledge comes chiefly from November Kelly and clips of Question Time.

I understand the impulse (particularly by liberals & liberal journalists) to try and intellectualize these reactionaries, their movements, to ascribe a consistent logic to their ideologies, but it is a mistake to conflate their rationalizing with coherency. I feel it is this impulse that has lent legitimacy to reactionary movements. These people ARE ignorant hicks--that's just a fact. Yes, they talk about a return to "classical" or "traditional" means of society, or they gesture towards statistics and use philosophical buzzwords, but those are merely ad-hoc justifications for what they want: power. This is no different than a white supremacist who speaks of the ill of societies: the fracturing of our communities, anxieties about our jobs, the alienation from our neighbors; yes, whether you're left or right, these diagnosis are hard to disagree with. But the appeal to our societal anxieties is specifically what makes these movements so seductive and dangerous. Because underneath all that rhetoric is destruction of the "other". I mean these people openly contradict themselves, sometimes in the same sentence; that opening ad for HOPE illustrates this: the talk about freedom and freedom-loving parents, but what exactly is this advertising? Freedom from what? The freedom to openly surveil your children? I mean we see this talk constantly, often from the very same people, who valorize "individualism" then go on to throw a fit if a child has to learn concepts outside of the accepted norm. These people co-opt and romanticize "traditional" values. As if traditional societal norms weren't chalk full of their own problems. I mean, these people talk like it just took a group of uppity liberals to change society for the worse, but the course of society is ALL of our faults--the good and the bad. We moved away from God towards instrumental reason and rationality. Our society is the fallout from the massive hole in our hearts. I'm just saying, it's a great idea to get to understand even those you vehemently disagree with. But we also need to call them what they are--ignorant and reactionary. We can't legitimize them by suggestion their buzzwords are anymore than that. These people are demonstrably unprincipled when it comes to getting what they want, the kind of voter who fears of authoritarianism, then speaks glowingly about some overreaching legal measure to surveil immigrants.

I was homeschooled and turned out to be a mega transgender super communist in a dangerously woke line of work so their mileage may vary

The Japanese school girl skirt/sailor fuku originated from an American who based it off the American navy uniform. So it's half the US's fault. Sorry Julian.

Just wanted to make a small note to Annie, pulling out eyelashes is generally an OCD/anxiety behavior called trichotillomania rather than a form of self harm

Of course underfunding something can be a tool of propaganda! It’s a way of communicating that 1) there’s no help coming and 2) regardless of anything else, your felt material reality is that the government is poor. It trains people not to ask for more. Defunding is a powerful tool of control and propaganda. Defunding services meant for children and forcing families to use them is a way to reinforce ableism and despair. It’s the same sort of trauma propaganda as Eaton, just far cheaper and designed to keep people in their (lower) station in life.

To the point at the end about how the govt would fund schools well if they were propaganda tools - I would argue that being structurally inhumane & authoritarian and yet also underfunded & collapsing is just the norm for many UK public services. I would also note that austerity cuts here were also applied to the police lol.

Not sure how commonly known this is, but Mussolini declared Montessori education to be the national education system under his regime and had a personal professional relationship with Maria, the founder.

The “sexy schoolgirl” trope probably owes a lot of its popularity to the “St. Trinnian’s” cartoons drawn by Ronald Searle, which were then made into a series of films back in the 60s and a pair of reboots more recently

It wasn't a north African who shot a family with a crossbow because his gf dumped him. It was an angry deranged white British man.

As a teacher in the UK and a former elective home educated child I can already tell this episode is going to drive me insane. Thanks.

The guy who wrote the graduate wrote a sequel about the legal fight to homeschool his children. I just found that weird. The story progressed from fucking your neighbors wife to homeschooling your children.

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I just wanted to say that I have absolutely no problem with Annie humming whenever she listens to others talk ✊

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We might have a rise in homeschooling in the US of liberals keeping their kids away from the inevitable new measles strains we're gonna get.. I'm certainly considering it

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