The Brutal Framemogging of Clavicular (E360)
Liv is back this week with the latest update in looksmaxxing content, specifically, the rise of Clavicular - a 20 year old self help influencer that has become a prominent figure in the world of the far right manosophere as well as on the looksmaxxing forums themselves. Join Jake and Julian as Liv defines words like “framemogging” and “jestergooning” before diving into the events that gave Clavicular his sudden rise to internet stardom.
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Last thing. I went to a dance class in Los Angeles. Everyone in the class was live streaming themselves the whole time. I had a total panic attack. I am 42. Everyone else was 22. I felt like I was on another planet. I tried to do the entire class from behind a support beam and considered hiding in the bathroom.
JAKE how can you say he has a point? Our president now is reminiscent of a sebum clog on a scalp in every possible way. Elected twice. Also completely stupid, a rapist, and likely Smells terrible. This is totally bullshit.
I definitely think the halo effect is like diminishing returns. Being ugly is not great. Being sort of unnoticeable and happy is the sweet spot. Being gorgeous is fucked up and those people start to feel like everyone is just lying to them because they are so hot. And they are right. This just sounds like a thing with a lot of words invented by people who know nothing about life. 6/7.
MUNTING? What is this slur??
As a millennial mom of an gen z, most of the time I'm just thinking WHERE THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE'S PARENTS?
more often than you'd like the answer is "behind the camera"
IVE LITERALLY BEEN ASKING MYSELF RECENTLY, WHO THE FUCK IS CLAVICULAR?
I'm ashamed to say that I made up the word WARGOONING today, for Hegseth.
I love the pissmaxing thing. As a trans guy who's very aware that my stream sounds different than when a cis guy pees, I try not to pee very loudly. Funny to think some young cis guy would feel inferior if he heard my stream full force lol
Okay, now I'm CURIOUS.
I can’t help but feel there’s a missing piece between the capitalist commodification and quantification of everything and the way it’s displaying in youth culture, from mogging etc to chart/stat obsessed stan culture: standardised testing. These generations were constantly examined and measured and taught that their worth was reflected in these often arbitrary numbers from such an early age. This is something that older generations have forced into them, it’s awful.
He tried because he didn't get chicken tenders?
Does not seem possible to post pictures here. But I was scrolling Netflix and one of the categories is called "Full on Jestermaxxing". I had no idea what this meant, previous to thus episode. And this category includes The Office, Arrested Development and Trailer Park Boys. So it checks out.
In British slang, at least in schools in the 2000s, munter just means ugly. The sort of thing teenage boys would should “she’s a right munter”. Maybe there’s a connection with meaning of ugly?
That’s what I was thinking!
This is the first episode I've listened to in probably about six months (for mental health reasons I started only using the Internet for very specific technical information, or to buy things) But every now and then I somehow catch a tiny snippet of what's going on in the Internet world, and this dudes name popped up. I swear that I had the exact same thought process as Jake with the Bunnicula thing lol
Munting in Australia has always meant vomiting.
Feel like the tweet in question needs to be given the Dana Snyder treatment
If anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole of how bad Kick content is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Pormanove
Having a re-listen and Liv describing clavicular as a "self help guy" made me chortle...I know self help is a pretty rancid and grifty field but getting a guy to inject drugs into your dick whilst on ketamine wasn't generally considered self help in my day 😂
Where are his parents!!!??
I’m a high school teacher and this is my question! I worry so much about my male students and I hope their parents provide them with the love and attention they need to not go down this road
This is another reason to never get on TikTok.
This episode makes me glad I got online in the early 1990s & not now...
Jake, I knew and loved Bunnicula
Sometimes you just know from the title alone it's a Liv episode lol
Hey chads, this is it. This is finally the one that makes suicide maxxing to the mog. Don't get Chudded, freaks,
3rep of 1 plate for his body is definitely not an achievement and shows he is not working out
what makes me soo crazy about all the hypergamy shit is like theyre so close to getting it. people see hot girl with a ugly guy and theyre like “oh he has money” but its like money status attractiveness are what attracts people BUT they apply it soo extremely. like a good guy who makes a girl laugh and is kinda cute, and works a trade job. like when ur a regular girl that IS the “status and wealth” you dint want jeff bezos or a perfect ten it almost feels fake/unattainable, like all of those little things that make u vibe with someone add up! like keep the scale but make a million more metrics in personality and looks and preferences and then you will get a better outcome.
Half of why I listen to this show is to hear Jake trying to understand genz terminology. The other half is for the death threats.
Liv is performing a public service honestly. I'll be 40 soon and I need to keep up with this to know what my kids are up against!
“steroids make every muscle larger including your heart” AWWWWW 😘 just like the grinch! Clav’s heart grew 3x in size thats why he’s such a sweetie pie.
clavicular is a medical term but hes still a dumb fuck
From my days as a medic: needle chest decompression: "Common insertion sites include the 2nd intercostal space (midclavicular line) "
We need a woke maxxxing episode to balance the scales after the Alysa Liu gold medal win
liv agar
Jake your jestermaxing framemogs Julian’s ragegooning. Good thing Travis wasn’t here to hairmog all you moidlets (and foidlet)
Just here to nice mog. You’re all cute and I’m proud of you. Don’t even try to get me back, please?
Fun ep! Any chance of getting the eps that have fallen off of the main feed (roughly the first 100 eps) posted here or back on the main feed? I know I can get them on Soundcloud but I can't find any RSS feed option there.
It is fascinating how these reactionary/social political movements all have the same trajectory. White supremacists who all unify around the conclusion that minorities are actual the problem, inevitably turn their hate inwards; policing who and what is sufficiently "white". Likewise, these lookmaxxers, like incels and redpillers, "solved" the male loneliness issue: a combination of feminism and women's impossible standards. The attempts to scientifically calculate beauty and attraction are merely the group pointing the gun at their own heads. Nihilism is really at the heart of these groups; you can't get rid of minorities or multiculturalism, so all that's left is to preserve racial purity. Redpillers know feminism isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and even if it was, tenets held within the in group hold that some will -always- be doomed to lifelong loneliness, so vying for position amongst each other becomes the only form of control. Control is what they seek to alleviate themselves from the fact that their lives are miserable.
Definitely the worst take on green eggs and ham I know of
Mog my frame into pieces. This is my final goon.
This entire episode is so cursed it should be added to the Library of Congress, as evidence of why nuking us out of existence in 2026 would have been not merely justified, but a mercy (to us, the planet, and to nature as a whole)
Jake over here self-mogging while Liv is straight up info-gooning us
Fuck just googled this man and saw him smashing his cheek bones with a trophy. I need a lie down
Here for the Bunnicula content.
That was amazingly depressing.
Get off social, Jake, and join the memeless army who's oblivious to trends, flames and all the rest of social media drama
'Munting' apparently at one point meant taking - especially ecstasy style - drugs. Source: a british friend of mine. Maybe this meaning has shifted to be used synonymously to mewing. Given, that ecstasy seems to make some people clench their jaw (?), this could be the etymology.
Does anybody smell burnt toast?
Omg thank you, i also thought i was having a stroke.
Him benching 1 plate only 3 times is damning indictment of the steroid/testosterone reliance, almost no genuine strength exercise going on. I would think that the "frat leader," any natty framemoggers, and even many high school team-sports-maxxers benchmog him ez
drill another hole in my brain
I sympathize with the sentiment but I feel the issue is exactly the opposite right now, at least in my case - my brain is like lacy swiss rn, like what you would imagine long term bath salt and krokodil concurrent use would present on a scan - way too may holes. Fried.
I'd contextualize looksmaxxing within asceticism and ritual self-mortification. Their goals are to transcend their physical bodies and ascend (!?) to a higher level of being which is religious not material. Clavicular's insistence that he is not enjoying the process could be true or untrue but as a beggar seeking alms from his audience he needs to show them his suffering. Suffering gives meaning to sacrifice and the audience want to see the blood. The humiliation/mogging serves to validate the feeling of revulsion/abjection he has for his body and justify his decision to move beyond it. It helps to see it as something ancient and primal in the history of human civilization.
Remember when that lady butt mogged those zoomers? Simpler times.
"I am swishing"
I guess I was fart maxing the other day after I had a bag of funyuns and a sprite on my break
why do all the monsters QAA covers have Aspergers. You're ruining our reputation 😭
its almost like they dont and its just used an excuse for people to be inappropriate or annoying
Great episode. But I feel dumber. I hate the future.
Oh Julian Jake Liv let's go its gonna be melted
What the fuck lol
I mean...saying "jester maxing" is just fun 🤣....I really thin thinknk thats where it actually ends. This whole thing is a vocabulary meme for these clowns.
All this clavicular discourse has made me glad I'm too old to ever be considered attractive
According to online discourse that would be anyone over 25 haha
Gesture maxxing would be cool.
Love the Bunnicula reference! Love that shit as a third grade grader
That bit- where Clavicular says “do you think this is a joke? I’m not entertainment for you!”- cracked me up. YES CLAVICULAR! YOU’RE HILARIOUS AND I FEEL BAD ABOUT IT! I’M DISTURBED AND AMUSED!….. The internet was a mistake.
I feel legitimately too old for this (40+?). Like one of the boomers on Maury Povich learning about moshpits for the first time or freaking out over the satanic panic. I legitimately hope that this is some dumb fad that will be forgotten and ziillennials will move on but oh my fucking God, the carnage from this timeline is just taking the nuclear option.
they are zoomers i think? i'm 31 and i'm a "zillennial", (sorry it doesnt matter. Clavicular is a fad! (and a fa*) but a lot of this comes from 4chan and incels and is like decades old unfortunately. i mean i think it will be seen as cringe eventually and is just a symptom of where we are at in the world from a generation raised on streaming websites and nontrad media..
Holy shit you guys , this episode is an absolute banger. I cannot stop vocal stimming clivicular , mogging, mewing. My wife hates me.
No Internet lingo makes me feel like I'm suffering from a stroke quite like incel lingo.
This timeline is so cursed! The whole looksmaxxing saga has dark undertones related to eugenics.
Bunicula!!! Thanks Jake for this reminder. 😊
Julian sounded despondent about this from the jump
we got our boy back
Jesus we need to provide free therapy to kids asap. This Clavicular might be lost but maybe we can save the kids listening to him.
FOID v MOID
yes
Jesus dude this clavicular guy wants to surgically alter himself to look like duke nukem or a Minecraft villager
I thought Mogg was Megg’s cat bf from that graphic novel
that's it, I'm getting back in my tomb
DO NOT put in the paper that I was scarabmogged or that I am embalmmaxxing
I need to reassess what I’m doing with my life. I’m almost 39 years old and I understood a lot of these terms. 😭 And I’ve never even set foot in a single chan.
Jake dropping shit like Bunicula references is what keeps me coming back
Also TimeMogging is a very funny concept but in our reality it is bound to become a thing.
the tik tok girlies going reality shift mode were ahead of the curve
Explaining to my husband that our pug just got brutally framemogged by a German Shepard on our walk.
Bunnicula mentioned 🐇🩸
Or maybe Clavicular is just a trans woman? That would honestly make more sense…
Yes, his amount of eugenics & racism definitely makes more sense if you consider him an in-the-closet trans woman. /sarcasm
I never wanted to learn any of these words, god damn you
Update: he got caught trying to get into a club and he is not 21 yet https://ktar.com/arizona-news/clavicular-arrested-scottsdale/5819599/
MOGGED IN THE OUTFIELD I can't breathe
When I heard frame mogging, I assumed it had something to do with the fact that they paused the frame perfectly on the video. I feel old now
i love episodes where everyone's simultaneously laughing and lamenting. glad to hear julian on this one!
Jesus, this was bleak. I’ve also never been happier to be old and out-of-touch.
Okay so to be fair it would be a lot less bleak if Clavicular just came out as a trans woman.
🧛 🐰
The “manifesting the chans in real life” thing Julian talks about early in the episode was also a theme in 2016-2018 alt right protests. They got pretty soundly chased out of 3d space, then. I guess all they needed to do was wait for senile democrats to fuck up badly enough to bring Trump back.
Shoutout to my king Bunnicula - miss you buddy
maybe my very first exposure to wordplay and punning
About halfway through this episode, I entered a state of Blue Pill Zen. Any of this that could have had any chance of hooking me ten years ago is just bouncing off me because it's all just evolved to the point that it's jibberish (Jake was spot on when he called it Jabberwocky). I'm normie-mogging all of these guys
PSA: Taking steroids reduces your body's production of its own steroids which is why you are supposed to gradually reduce taking them (dose tapers off) to allow your body's steroid production to start working again. Long term steroid use can seriously fuck up your body's ability to go back to producing its own once you stop.
Or maybe Clavicular is just trying really really hard to get paradoxical gynecomastia?
The voice Julian used sounds like Eugene Levy in A Mighty Wind.
Julian Feeld! 😀
LivAgular
livmaxxing
Clavicular just further proves my belief as a New Jersey guy that we produce some of the worst people in media. Joe Rogan, Michael Tracey , Anna Khachiyan all either birthed or raised by this land forgotten by god that I can't help but love
It's a tragic combination of being founded as a dutch colony and then being stuck as the across-the-river suburbs of either New York or Philly. It's poisoned by wannabes that can't afford to live somewhere else
Now I'm singing the Funiculi Funicula song.
I have been singing ad lib Claviculi Clavicular songs to my cats. Moggie-mogging, if you will.
Liv Agar
Would "munting" come from the British-English slang for a very unattractive person, munter?
That's where my mind went too.
This kind of stuff is horrifying to me. When was in secondary school (highschool) we were taught about anorexia and body image issues as it was a serious issue during the mid to late 2000's. With the advent of body positivity movement I naively assumed we were turning a corner; I was totally wrong. It's all been turned up to 11 and become mainstream to such an extent that it is hard not to despair for gen z and alpha who grow up within this milieu. As much as there's this prevailing sense of ironic detachment to it all it's probably creating real world issues as we speak, you can only do something ironically for so long until you incorporate it. All of this producing a generation of neurotic and detached people who struggle to connect with each other yet surveil their peers and idols online at all times, there is no difference between our virtual and physical worlds anymore. Horribly depressing stuff. I hope all of you here love at least a part of yourselves, you all deserve to be happy and comfortable in your own skin. Great episode guys.
This whole thing reminds me of the comic 2000ad where they had a lot of satire about future cults using made up words. Anyways even though this is grim as hell it is also very funny.
Clavicular Manslaughter Maxxing.
Julian ☺️
Listening to the intro to this episode, I had a revelation: all this maxxing/mogging language – it’s incel polari
You haven’t heard of the incel-to-transgender pipeline?!?
I have zero idea what’s going on in this episode and I’m fine with that
Munter/munted is definitely common British slang, meaning really messy drunk/wasted, and/or ugly. No dead bodies required
Liv might have confused it with “mung”, which was a word used by edgelords in the late 90s/ early 00s era of the internet and which had to do with dead bodies. Please don’t look it up
I think this is my favorite type of QAA episode. Someone takes a baffling subject that the others don't know about, gets reactions in real time, and then we probe deeper to see what's behind it. Great job. And as a linguist, I actually appreciated learning all the new terms, even if they are absurd.
Had to pause the ep to go watch Jake Paul get ktfo. Thanks Jules.
PISSmogging??????
You can really hear it in that woman’s voice in the pissmogging clip, like, “how is this guy even the same species?”
That's funny I just last night downloaded Liv's original looksmaxxing episode to relisten to after reading about this clavicle through my usual unc channels.
Bunicula…dying
Julian sounds great. Makes me happy to hear him this way.
We love our lad
“nope, those were just words”
small correction: AMOG started out as PUA lingo, that's how it transferred over to incels.
Half way through, this is fantastic
I’m afraid to listen to this one…
I have no idea what any of that stuff in the into meant.
Livmaxxing on Agarslop
Adam Friedland is more jacked than him (it’s on Friedland’s IG), no way he’s being serious
LIV Agar!
Shout out to all the other caviculoids
The Adam Friedland show with clavicular was great.
That old bug is a real gem
Thank you for dropping this at 7 AM European time, so I can start the day feeling like my brain is melting from words like ‘jester gooning’ ☺️
Liv Agar!
Liv Agar !