Our QAnon Friends In Government (E348)

There were quite a few people on the left that predicted trump winning in 2016....

I don’t think Travis and Jake know what a gold star means in a gay way 😂

Oh, shit, sleep in a full size futon. I'm fucked.

Oof, Tina Peters is housed at the Pueblo facility? Like my hometown doesn't have enough struggles

Liv is infinitely better than dog-shocker Hasan

The Swiss love country music and country ephemera

Also crazy that Liv is shocked country music is popular

Has the podcast done a reading of Kash’s children’s books? They’re about Kash as “the great wizard and distinguished discoverer” who exonerated King Trump of cheating (?) or some such

Wait when Liv asked if Kash and Mel Gibson were “shredding powder,” she meant cocaine right? She didn’t literally mean skiing did she?

They did the gait anaylsis in mission impossible

I love it when the guys have to explain American things to Liv. ("Does 'gold star mother' mean she's an excellent mother?") 🥰

I've ALWAYS believed that when a young, "attractive," woman starts dating a man old enough to be her father, she's doing it because: a) she IS a spy, or b) she's a gold digger who has a younger lover on the side. That's not conspiratorial thinking, that's just reality.

Liv, I love you

The funniest thing to me about Patel's reaction to the private jet stuff is that at least according to Snopes' reporting, the FBI director is on a list of people who straight up aren't allowed to fly commercial for security reasons, there's some scheme set up where people on that list get to use government jets instead and pay back the equivalent cost of commercial seat fare for their trip. Not saying that to defend him ofc. A fee that size obviously doesn't come close to matching the expense of staffing and fuelling a jet liner for a single passenger, so the lion's share is still on the tax payers. If anything I'd assume it's a symbolic gesture to remind people on that list not to use these jets more than they would have flown commercial if they were allowed. So it's still sound to point out that this seems like a pretty frivolous occasion to decide you just have to be there for if you're at a plane trip's distance, instead of saying "Best of luck honey, I'll make sure to catch the next one I'm in the area for". Especially for someone who's been blowing as much hot air about this exact type of waste as Patel has. But I bring that up to ask rhetorically what sounds like a smarter counterattack to this news story if you're in Patel's shoes and those are the facts: A) Bring up the "no commercial flying" rule, accuse the mainstream media of making a big deal out of nothing. Or even target the ones that claimed or implied you chose the private jet because you didn't want to pay for a ticket, call them malicious idiots who don't know what they're talking about. Either assert in brief that your choice to fly at all was defensible, or just don't comment on that at all and let the above be your whole counter narrative. or B) Vindictively fire some guy who you have no good reason to believe had anything to do with the story, and also make the trivially disproven claim that the thing you fired that guy for supposedly leaking is one big lie and the flight never happened. He had a great opportunity to make "the lying liberal media couldn't even get their facts straight before trying to take down a patriot" the only takeaway his base got from this story, but he's too much of a moron to play the straight flush he's been dealt. Masterfully played sir, GG.

I think we need a liv plus another zoomer podcast. No disrespect to the fellas, but she's better than them now

Groceries are more expensive you fucking libs

Y’all ever think about letting Annie do all the speaking parts? Her accent is the best I’ve ever heard

Sometimes when I point out that the chat bot can't really truly know feelings or be happy for me it will say something like "😅 hehe whoops, you caught me! You're right. Technically I can't really feel things like a human"

10 minutes into the ep: *pauses episode and sprints to comments*

I love it when Travis lets loose because he is so goddamn funny when he doesn't have to play the serious fact-checking skeptic between Jake (our media-brained probably) and Julian (one step away from creating a leftist militia)

Liv are you thinking of the Young Thug and Lil Durk computer picture?

personally, i don’t give a fuck about who is mad at liv and for what. using the first 15 minutes of a main feed episode to talk about inane twitter bullshit rlly does not seem like a good use of time.

This episode went by pretty fast, also what a good time to listen as Trump calls out MTG, today on twitter!

I cant wait until we get an episode about epstien bubba trump comments hahaha

I’m here on behalf of all the lesbians to state for the record that WE got Liv’s gold star mom joke and it was very funny

My personal speculative opinion about MTG's "face turn" involves her realizing Trump has no clothes and believing there will soon be a political niche that will need to be occupied that is essentially MAGA without Trump and even Qanon without Trump.

LIV READ THE CYBORG MANIFESTO BY DONNA HARAWAY PLEASE!

Based Liv. Tired of shrieking Twitter anti-AI nonsense. mUh WaTeR I run this on my PC. I use more power playing Oblivion Remastered

add "-ai" to the end of your google searches to bypass the ai bs

Gosh that clip at the end was frustrating to listen to.

Re MTG, when right wing movements go to war with themselves, the result is deeper extremism. A person in MTG’s position never becomes a liberal. Her game is leadership in the post MAGA far right. It’s not worth even fantasizing about her pulling a reverse Fetterman. She’s a full America First fascist.

Mahalo for the update.... Is it weird that no matter who is hosting, I still hear Julian yelling about something?

Honestly love Jake's take about Kash being the ideal FBI director, just putting the whole org in disarray. Is it a bad move for us all? Maybe whatever

The fact that you all have soft positions on generative AI is extremely weird. Very “AI is really bad, BUT” I truly don’t understand it. What is the point of having a moderate position on something so overwhelmingly harmful?

I don't think water consumption volume per click is necessarily the problem with AI and the environment. The issue is that the infrastructure requires moving massive volumes of water and collapsing habitats. Marginal amounts of water might be used per search, but the water the hardware is being cooled with has already been redirected from streams, rivers, wetlands, etc. From a pragmatic perspective, I'd rather have people overreacting to the problem, because the effect is them not consuming or perpetuating AI content. I don't eat meat and totally agree with the burger arguments, but the environmental impact concerns around AI aren't just about consumption per click.

The problem is that AI is a buzzword. There are uses of AI that are uncontroversial and useful. But Twitter hoards tend to be reactionary and gravitate towards purity tests. For what it’s worth, I don’t browse X and looking at Liv’s posts, I read it as satire and the response to the criticism as hilarious trolling. But I credit that to understanding nuance on AI. Shit, even if Liv did generate those images herself it wouldn’t have bothered me. Way worse things to be mad about.

https://0x0.st/KpVm.pdf/Debunking-When-Prophecy-Fails.pdf have this author on / do an ep on this, thanks

Love how Liv's gold star joke went completely over the heads of Jake and Travis lol

Oof, that "and yet you eat burgers tho?" bit from Liv was pretty wild to hear. And the "I don't secretly love AI" response was weird... what a bizarre, fallacious hill to die on.

I thought this episode was awful getting involved in a debate about the water use of burgers vs AI (I think the people who worry about water use and the environment are worried about both - I certainly am) but totally ignores the other wider issues such as electricity supply in the countries where data processing centres have been built, the community objections of people who live in places where data processors have been placed, the lack of taxes paid to those countries. We live in an world where it impossible to be a moral consumer - so share a meme of Charlie Kirk whatever but the doubling down rather than a thoughtful reflection was just a bit sickening whilst the whole of the capitalist establishment is trying to normalise AI. For a small country Ireland had a lot of large data centres and it impacts on water, electricity , land planning and democracy are real. People before profit have a number of short articles highlighting the impact https://www.pbp.ie/seai-report-reveals-data-centres-levels-make-targets-near-impossible/ and this one https://www.pbp.ie/people-before-profit-bill-to-ban-further-data-centres/

liv agar

People are weirdly, blindly polarized abiut AI. Scared to tell people that I think it is good at some things.

Surely reposting someone else's AI is the ethical equivalent of buying sweatshop clothing from the thrift store?

I know there's younger folks in the audience, but the water argument against AI just falls flat. Have we learned nothing from trying to get people to listen about global warming for 30 years? Liv's point is that buzz statistic just doesn't work. Also we gotta quit with the circular firing squad if we actually believe there this stuff poses an existential threat. Jeebus.

Love Travis bringing the rage while Julian is away

Hey guys, just want to state that the event was a Freestyle (Olympic) wrestling event. Hulk Hogan just happened to be one of the founders. The RAF is pro wrestling but not “pro wrestling.” There is no ring, no ropes. It’s international wrestling, the sport. Not pro wrestling. The only storyline that night was Kash’s stupidity.

V amused by Jake and travis clearly not getting Liz’s questions about gold star mums

Can we get a fucking Lawnmower Man counter to go with the Ghostbusters tracker

julian feeld

The world's first reverse Fetterman :)

That fucking auto-cue is enraging

*long disappointed sigh* Liv, this argument comparing food water usage to AI water usage is nonsense. I can’t feed someone a fucking AI image of Charlie Kirk photoshopped onto someone else’s head. It has no use A burger, even if not super efficient to create, at least has a use

I should be entitled to financial compensation for having to listen to whatever nonsense is going on on Twitter. Why is ANYONE still using Elon’s app unless you have to for your work?

Calm down on Liv y'all, she is not defending AI.

The combo of Liv’s lame food argument and most of them still being on Twitter was a brutal start to the episode.

First fifteen minutes was a really hard listen… yucky

Too much twitter talk! I pay for the subscription so I don’t have to hear about this shit. Skip to around 15 minutes to avoid it.

My god. So few exploitative systems are this easy to opt out of. No need to go to bat for this just because other systems are just as bad or even worse.

I’m assuming the bleeped word is “babies”.

Twitter is so bad now that I can't even see when Liv becomes the main character. There was a fake Kash Patel on there for a bit who just posted Hi and Please follow at people but actually that may have been the real one trying to use his clout.

We're not having kids so we basically saved the environment. You're welcome.

the 'what about the water/energy usage of x other industry' is a p common argument in ai discussions & crypto before that. I don't hate it don't love it can see where it's coming from etc. but the 1st 15 minutes here are the twitter fight equivalent of someone recounting in detail a dream in which they were flying or naked in public or something

AI is not being driven by consumer demand. It is a scam to drive up stock prices. The idea that consumers are responsible for the environmental impacts of data centres is silly. If the AI companies depended on customers to justify their growth they would all be a lot smaller. Individual culpability is a distraction like when the oil industry invented “carbon footprint”.

They probably just did one of those "What celebrity do you most look like?" but put in a picture of the bomb suspect and all the cops in the capitol

Julian Feeld

why r people booing liv she's right

I'm with Jake Hate to admit it, but if Kash Patel were like 20% less evil, I would root for him just a little bit. There's something about such public haplessness and oafery that's a little charming

How many of those 10000 monthly listens are from Kash?

Gait is 94% similar like wtf does that even mean. Like they got fuckin Eadweard Muybridge in a darkroom at Blaze News developing photos of a Capitol cop in motion to see if both feet leave the ground when she runs

I love when Travis gets so furious at stupidity

Liv Agar

Pwitter!

Anyone who is obsessed with celebrities (aka other human beings) is a fucking weirdo

Hola!

And hope Julian is ok ❤️

Liv AGAR 💜

🥉

I hope Julian is getting the help he needs

Liv agar