Becoming Candace (E335)
There isn’t yet a tariff on conspiracist narratives. So former Daily Wire podcaster Candace Owens imported one from France. Which is why she now finds herself the subject of a serious lawsuit filed by the French President Emmanuel Macron and the First Lady Brigitte Macron.
Owens used Instagram influencer aesthetics to recycle a 2021 theory for American audiences that was originally promoted by a French spiritual medium and spread through “Yellow Vest” and antivax networks. For some reason, Owens wasn’t satisfied with the genuinely odd history of the Macrons’ relationship (they met when Brigitte was married with children and Emmanuel was just 14, despite most American sources claiming they met when he was 15.) Instead she picked up the convoluted conspiracy theory that Brigitte is really her brother Jean-Michel Trogneux who became a trans woman and proceeded to assist with turning Emmanuel into an MKULTRA-controlled “Manchurian Candidate.” In Owen’s ludicrous tale, the Macrons then killed anyone who started asking questions about Brigitte’s past, Clinton-body-count style. But since this nonsense is powered by crude bigotry rather than any investigatory impulse, the evidence is unsurprisingly weak. Owens’ method of argumentation involves ignoring the fact that Jean-Michel Trogneux is clearly alive and a separate person, looking at real photos and declaring them fake, and birthday numerology.
Travis, Jake, and Julian unpack Owens’ past, the history of the conspiracy theory, how she promoted it through the 8-part series “Becoming Brigitte,” and the lawsuit that now threatens her independent media empire.
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Comments (117)
As a French person I can tell you that everything Travis and Julian said about the French is true
“The perversions of some French people are so severe, they’re functionally disabilities. I’m glad I just have ADD and not French Inclinations.” absolutely amazing, I love it
further evidence buttressing the idea that Candace Owens is a shit-coating operative: last week a Las Vegas undercover sting arrested 8 people for sexual predation of minors, one of whom was Tom Artiom Alexandrovich aka the executive director of Israel’s National Cyber Directorate, who was then immediately released back to Israel before he could be prosecuted as part of this pedophile ring. mainstream media is completely ignoring this but you know who isn't? Candace Owens! so almost everyone who is aware of this genuinely disturbing fact is going to hear it from her or someone like her, once again tainting any reference to elite/Israeli pedophile rings by association to batshit idiocy, same playbook as "pizzagate." i gotta respect the NWO / illuminati / reptilians / whoever runs this hellworld, their info control game is on point.
Mmm n
most sonically traumatizing ep. to date, wow
Here to address the “Why does Brigitte always wear a scarf?” Thing: Gentlemen, women over the age of 60 often wear scarves to hide turkey neck or wrinkles. (Looks like men haven’t figured this out and it’s working.) Another good strategy is turtlenecks or shirts buttoned all the way up. Candace knows this. I know she comes off as a bubblehead, but I guarantee you, she knows this. All women do, because we saw our mothers and grandmothers do it, along with countless older female celebrities. (Very few older women are blessed with a Meryl Streep neck.) Candace is lying, plain and simple. You will now begin to notice older women with scarves or turtlenecks everywhere you go. I’ve destroyed the illusion, sorry about that.
Whoa ok she defended mengele? I never thought id see that. Thats a sign of madness. I retract what I said
Oh I was not ready to hear Travis say "step on my neck, Mommy."
i can't believe there aren't as many childhood photos of Bridgette as... Michael Jackson
AUNTIE COOLETTE is preparing herself for a world changing event in a week and half!!! She said something big is gonna happen and there is no going back - she is currently in “ISOLATION IN PREPARATION” and posting every day. You gotta go check in on her!!!
Is this the season that Travis breaks??
Did Brigitte groomed her current husband, probably, is she secretly a man, probably not, I mean she's in her 70's of course she's not going to look like a 50 year old, what elderly woman doesn't look like a man.
Great episode, great jokes, love when Travis gets down in the mud with the rest of us
Yall gotta do something about this “smooth shrek” fella in these comments. Literally threatening to molest everyone they disagree with. Real lowest denominator edgelord garbage
Haven't listened yet but I did see Julian mad on twitter again. Hiiiii
Julian Fields
It’s not “magic pussy” it was probably the grooming ya know?
Tomato, tomahto
Cumtown is so back
Travis: "I'm sorry to say, Julian". So the Russians are involved in this as well,are they? Quelle surprise !!!
Candace only talks about Palestine to stuff more libs down the alt right pipeline.
Jake, Candace is very popular on the right
Love this podcast but holy fuck at least a third of the fans are unbearable scolds.
Smooth shrek
So many epic line in this one. 🤣
This whole thing reminds me of that epsode of News Radio where some kid sold Jim Nabors's skull to Jimmy James and then Jim Nabors showed up at the trial to testify that it wasn't his skull.
Julian almost made me spit out my damn coffee at 10:42, when he pulled this “Candace Owens is a strong woman“ shit after hearing about her being the victim of racism. Please believe me Julian – and I’m sure you already know this – two things can be true at once. Candace Owens can be a raging, disgusting, bigoted bitch with ugly white woman hair, and also unfairly subjected to racism. Like seriously, her navigating that situation successfully does not make her any stronger than any other fucking person. Y’all white people make me wanna scream sometimes.
Go back to pod save America
“Zen we can talk about you sucking my small sons peenous” and hearing Travis cackle made my day
Travis with the specific hatred for French sex crimes is so fuckin funny
Ngl, the trueanon ep on this same subject was much better.
I'm sorry...."Oxona Vomit" ??? I listened to it 3 times.
Goddammit Julian, get your American Special Forces propaganda movies straight. They'll pull a Zero Dark Thirty on her, not Black Hawk Down
Holy fuck if Julian annoys you maybe go listen to a nice young lib like Brian Tyler Cohen or some shit. Keep being you Julian.
True leftists support child rape
Ayy this was a fun episode, but the molestation jokes were pretty fucked ngl
I will molest you
Jake: " what's the French accent?" Quality!! Very good accents, almost as good as the British ones !😏
What a charming episode on child molestation! Julian 's back, baby! 👉
God I love this podcast
Love you guys, but this episode was really cringey. I feel like grooming and pedophilia comes up on the show a lot, but this is the first time that it's been brought up with laughter and jokes. Not great.
It was funny and good
Anyone who has optimism, the optimism with which the democrats handed the world to the fascists on a platter, are a threat yo our continued survival as working class people. Anyone who isn't working class is the enemy full stop.
Stop posting your nonsense in the Patreon comments because you got banned for saying them in the Discord server
When Julian breaks Travis
Currently playing a short film in my head about a bottomless french guy in a heated argument with a parking attendant about using the parking spot for disabled people.
I’m on board with the disgust in how the worst people always seem to rise to the top and ruin everything good.
Fuking idiots in the comment sections bitching about Julian's comments about the size of France really gives creedence to what he said "America needs to be put down"
30mins in and pretty disgusted at the blatant minimisation of child sexual abuse of a boy. Sticking it out to see if things get better but absofuckinglutely despicable regardless of who they grow up to be.
Yeah came here to say the same thing
I am once again asking for an episode on Eurovision 🙏🏻
This is a top tier ep Travis' disgust with "French inclinations" is incredible
haters need to LeaVe JuLiaN ALONE!!! je t'aime julian never change
Klandice
Julian, politely….please shut the fuck up. Not all the time. But maybe like some of the time. Even in small amounts. Please?
Or maybe just think about what Candace Owens actually says about Macron instead of instinctivly supporting her because of your mutual hatred of Macron. PS. what state were you thinking of when you said France is small. It has a population roughly 20 million more than california.
This is her attempting an Alex Jones. I don’t think she’ll succeed long term..? But, time is a flat circle, so WHO KNOWS
100%
So my friend went to high school with Macron and had Brigitte as a teacher. My friend says there were rumors at the time that they were "together" but she didn't believe it because it was too ridiculous. It might (tho not really?) provide some context that Macron was extremely celebrated in high school. Even tho it was a large school, he was well known for being academically brilliant and basically "most likely to succeed" kinda guy.
Travis absolutely cooked on this one
I really feel like this conspiracy theory comes from peoples distorted views on grooming. To a lot of these types, groomers can only be men especially gay men who pretend to be women, hence lumping in trans women, drag queens, and other gay men altogether and calling them all groomers. Women are usually too innocent/simple minded/weak/nonsexual to be groomers so if they see a woman who obvious groomed someone well... Clearly she has to be a man! Because groomers are trans women (who they view as men) and trans women are all groomers etc etc. Awful stuff.
Agree 100%. Specifically in this case, it’s definitely playing into the “all trans people are groomers” thing. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t really mention that angle, I expected them to go into the layers of transphobia a little more.
Cracked Candace.
It is really perverse to look at a person and be concerned about what genital organs they have.
Hell hath no fury like a Travis falsely informed 🤣
"Julian's Unravelings"
I liked your K-pop joke Julian I appreciated it
Il faut arrêter les Français
AutoQ broke me. Imagine saying "I think Brigitte wanted her brother to live authentically" and then still insisting that's bad
The thought I keep coming back to … what was up w/ Brigitte’s first husband? A chronic philanderer? Abusive? Was he a total shit head? A good guy? How do you not go a little mad in this situation? What was going on in that relationship that made his wife turn to a young teenager? Then that kid and your ex-wife become the most powerful people in your country?
"Michael Jackson: Didn't need Disney, did it on his own" I'm fucking dying
I'm glad I have ADD and not French inclinations
Yeah but what if she’s right?!!!?
Literally Travis, Julian, and Jake never answer the question. Like, why hasn’t Brigitte released her nudes then? 🤔
Crazy that Candace signed the shirt with the autopen
Just because I know Julian welcomes and actively encourages fact-checking of his statements. France is not "really f'ing small" or "the size of a big state, not even". In terms of area France would come 3rd, behind only Alaska and Texas. In terms of population it would be top of the heap, with a little under double the US state with the highest population (California).
Julian’s brain is a little cooked.
“Yeah Jake you’re hot as fuck” - Julian, 2025
Im 43 and got the terminally online disease early... Candace, like Benny Sharpy, is one of those media ghoul characters I have followed since the start of their career. Very excited to see this episode.
i thought the kpop joke was funny julian!
I did too.
Goofy Julian is back!
Well, ill ally with anyone who is willing to fight against the genocide. Thats the most important thing right now. You guys should do an episode about disinformation im the genocide. It has been 22 months, will you guys ever do an episode about it? It is a domestic issue
I would not ally with Candace Owens lol. You really don't need to either, there's not really a shortage of people who are speaking out against Israel with moral clarity, there's no reason to give flowers to a racist
Anytime Julian goes off it’s a good episode 👌
I genuinely don't understand what some of these comments are doing here like listen to something else if he makes you so mad lol This episode was some classic fucked up qaa
I’m used to Jake & Julian having giggly chemistry but it’s cute to hear it between Travis & Julian too
Somebody I thought I knew had a 4 year ‘relationship’ (actually 4 years abuse) with a student- started when the victim was 16. My ex friend got 28 months in prison -(UK)
I enjoyed the synergy of Julian offering to blow Travis and then ten minutes later Travis explaining that French perversion is a type of disability.
The internet is bad kids go read
But reading makes you a loner and susceptible to Mk-Ultra.
I have nothing to add except my partner’s “problematic hall pass” is Candace Owens. Mine is George W (young tho). Do with this information what you will.
Be right back I've got to ask ChatGPT how to delete information from my brain
Holy… fuck… I cannot believe I’m admitting this… my wife… listens to this piece of shit. And it sounds like she kinda defended what Owens said… I legit feel my heart racing…
Your wife is listening to a transphobe, white supremacist, and antisemite.
going to have to disagree with Julian's comment near the end, I think this one was a masterpiece
We now have a sound clip of Travis saying "step on my neck mommy"
THIS! I barked out the loudest laugh when Travis dropped this line.
Jared Holt did a 2 hour deep dive on Candace Owen's life and career on his podcast (Posting Through It) if anyone is interested.
How could you be talking French politics, saying "tale as old as time" and not bring up https://youtu.be/xDUhINW3SPs?feature=shared Lol The bit writes itself with Julian
Thanks for this guys. I had this peripheral sense of Owens as threatening. But this episode disabuses me of any of that. She is ridiculous.
Age of consent discourse is irrelevant to high school teacher/student relationships. Also, my conspiracy theory is Brigitte manipulated Emmanuel into becoming a banker (her first husband’s job) and then the president to retroactively justify the affair. The toxic nature of his presidency is clearly some Freudian displacement. She’s convinced that if he’s successful she didn’t do anything wrong but the more successful he is the more people are hurt.
Yeah! It's not just about age difference, it's about the power differential between teacher and student.
Julian (welcome back) your impersonation of a French transphobe overly j’accusing in overly enunciated French then transitioning to Froggy English was truly delightful to my brain
Candice said she was suspicious why they sued her in Delaware and maybe it was because Biden family owns the courts there, her podcast is Incorporated in Delaware.
Delaware famously has more corporations than people.
Fantastic episode. A part of me wants to agree re: TLA op. (FWIW: This episode came out on August 10th, 2025- 6 year anniversary of Epstein suicide.)
Julian went off on this one
Actually got some laughs off Travis I was shocked
none of these words are in the Bible
France is twice the size of California
not a fan of the "it's fine and funny macron got groomed because he's shitty" take
Few too many jokes about child molestation man
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