Bongino’s Epstein Flip Flop (E325)
What happens when conspiracists make their dreams come true by taking over the deep state agencies and cracking them open? FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino's recent shift from conservative radio host to federally-employed "Epstein killed himself" advocate has created chaos among those who hope for new revelations from newly influential insiders.
Joined by Will Sommer of the False Flag newsletter, Jake, Liv, and Travis dissect Bongino's controversial flip-flop, the disillusionment of the MAGA faithful, and Glenn Beck's anguish over the situation.
Meanwhile, James Comey's cryptic seashell Instagram post sparks a numerological panic and a Secret Service visit, mainstream conservative media cozies up to QAnon figures, and Elon Musk signals a pullback from political spending after a major loss in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election.
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SOURCES
The Real Reason Trump World Just Can’t Quit Conspiracy Theories
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/real-reason-trump-world-conspiracy-theories-patel-bongino-maga
James Comey is under investigation for his '8647' Instagram post. What does it mean?
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/16/nx-s1-5400400/comey-trump-8647-investigation-instagram
QAnon Conspiracy Theorist Liz Crokin Claims 'The Simpsons' Are Satanic 'Predictive Programming'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ox1U3uYrY
Thanks to DOGE, Gumroad’s founder has a second job with the VA
https://www.fastcompany.com/91330297/doge-sahil-lavignia-gumroad
What DOGE gets wrong about tech and government
https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/what-doge-gets-wrong-about-tech-and
Comments (68)
My parents used to tell us we couldn't watch the Simpsons bc the devil has to announce his plans first too. That was the 90s. Idt people realize how old this thought is.
Whenever their fans are upset and dismayed about all of the BS peddled by these completely unserious people - I swear all I can think is “omg, the liars lied to you??” A fork found in a kitchen??? I hate it here
Is there a chance that one of the secret things is Spectral Voyager season 2?
Speaking of conspiracists re-framing Trump appointees as the Deep State turncoats... I have a pretty unique specimen to highlight to y'all. I've been following this one guy, Hamish Patterson, aka "The Illusion" since like 2011. He's best known for his viral video, "Bowl Cut Maintenance," in which he explains how to give yourself a bowl cut with a pair of paper scissors. He's got the most perfect Malibu surfer accent I've ever heard. The man sounds like a cartoon. At some point in the past couple years he quit surfing and moved out to Kern County to build a homestead with his wife and kid. He's calls himself a "conservative christian," a "covid truther," and a "recovering alcoholic," and believes most/all health problems can be solved by eating vegetables that you grow in your back yard. He livestreams a couple times a week and cooks up some incredible takes. His recent livestream titled "5-D chess to steal your soul" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsa840NRMqY) is, hearteningly, mostly about acknowledging the genocide of Palestinians by Israel, as well as the genocide of indigenous peoples in North America. But there are some truly impressive takes in here. I've picked out some other highlights that I think are relevant to this pod ep: At 3:37... "Orange Man is an ingenious plot by the deep state and the globalists to entrap the once-vibrant sort of anti-state movement in America, right? I'll give you that within the whole motion of the American political psyche of the past five years, you had a great accumulation of people who were ready to bring down the American Corporation and replace it with the Constitutional Republic. And yet, they didn't realize that the choosing-between-two-evils thing was a baked-in deep state move by the globalists to trick the once-potent anti-establishment America movement into voting and putting in charge as their figurehead the ultimate globalist, which is Sir Donald Trump, dude. He's constantly revealing himself to be what he is-- organizing America into a people farm working for the globalists." Classic case of a dude getting soooo close to a functioning critique of American politcs and then just flagrantly beefing it. He makes this Corporation/Constitutional Republic distinction several times in the stream. He's more or less saying "participation in civic institutions used to be productive, but now the money is in charge." His flavor of civic-nationalism reminds me of my parents' outlook, which makes sense since I think they're around the same age and grew up in the same region. But there's an additional Christian spiritual dimension to his take: He calls the US constitution and the bill of rights "personal documents," as in, literally sacred and true on a personal level, not unlike scripture. But he's lost faith in the government's ability/willingness to enforce those laws. Like, God is dead, and Citizens United killed him. At 6:19... "The Sauce is one of the great revealers... It's funny to have watched Fed Bongino and Cuck Patel and Pam Bondage absolutely convert to the deep state, and watch all the right-wing copers sit there and tell me, 'Trust the plan, dude! Trust the plan! They're secretly working on a bigger case!' But I don't think that people really get that RFK is the same thing. And him throwing the litte, 'We're removing the coof sauce from the schedule for pregnant women and children,' that's just decoy, dude. Because anyone who is aware at this stage, is anyone putting the coof sauce in their space suit? I don't know, dude." I dunno if "Fed Bongino" really works, but Cuck Patel is pretty great, and Pam Bondage is an all-timer drag name. "Coof sauce in your space suit" obviously refers to the covid vaccine, but he's the only person I've ever heard use this term. The only reference to "coof sauce" I found in my cursory DuckDuckGo search was an Urban Dictionary entry from 2008: "when someone is extremely wet from behind the three point line in basketball." I'm making an educated guess that "wet" means "likely to score" in a basketball context, but secretly hoping it's sexual. At 15:57... "I hope everyone's understanding that Donald Trump is a total dipshit. Like, he's a dipshit. Like, it's becoming more and more apparent every day what a dipshit he is. And, like I said, I root for him not to be a dipshit, but more and more it's becoming quite obvious that he's a dipshit. [...] Let's not forget what MAGA stands for: MAGA is the highest order of the church of Satan." Turns out Magus/Maga is a title for satanists who have reached "fifth degree" status, the highest level within the hierarchy of the Church of Satan as laid out by Anton LeVay. Good stuff. At 47:05... "What they're doing with the genocide in Gaza is the same thing as the vaccine inserts. So if, like, you go down to the pharmacy, or CVS, your doctor's office, and you wanna, like, put sauce on your noodle, you can go there and be like, 'can I have the insert?' And they're obligated to give you the insert for that sauce that you're gonna put in your noodle. And you'll read this thing that folds out and lists all the things that could go wrong. Well, that's what's going on here on an international stage. They're giving you the insert label via Gaza and what is going on there, and going, 'well, if you're cool with this going on here, and you're not gonna stop this, what we're gonna do is do that to other groups of people down the line. And because you didn't stop it now, you null-and-void all the Nuremberg stuff, and the world court and all that stuff which was set up to prevent this.'" Like, in general, I think he's correct that failing to stop a genocide makes future genocides more likely. But the covid warning label thing is just bonkers. Like, he got the right answer despite using the entirely wrong formula. Probly the most impressive bake of the stream. Honestly I think this guy deserves a whole episode. Amazing character, loves to yap... endless possibilities.
Rejoice, for Liv Agar returnerth!
I think the main thing all parties can agree on is that the real conspiracy is to make sure Bongino is allowed to see anything cool
Liz K was on the free Britney thing and as a part of that she's anti Lou Taylor (a manager whose company is connected to Diddy and the Kardashians as well as Britney).
Jake with the casual perfect Comey. Bless this man
Elon's sulking fills me with glee. He thought it would be easy and fun and he'd be glorified the world over and his companies would reign ascendant. Actually it's hard and not fun and you get into yelling matches at the WH and everyone hates you and your flagship company starts plummeting to earth like a failed rocket launch. Couldn't happen to a better person. Though, given how many times his companies have fallen light years short of their promises, he should be used to disappointment.
Still the wealthiest man in the world by a long shot and able to purchase entire national governments. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Exactly right on the stand-up comic and analogy. F*ck Elon Musk 😒
Oh and *YAY* Liv is back!
Speaking of the general disintegration of Qanon, one of many schizo episodes I often wistfully think back on is the Q Clock obsession - ahhh those were the days!
I’ve been worried about this for years… Trump gets back in an his loyalists head up these agencies only to find out that it’s not the grand conspiracy MAGA has been told it is. At that point, something really fucked up is going to have to happen to satisfy the conspiracy theorist bloodlust.
Not to worry! Something really fucked up is happening! People are being sent to a foreign concentration camp!
Oh wow, I didn’t realize truth social’s version of “re-tweet” is “re-truth.” That sucks. Yall are doing the lords work sifting through that cess pit for us
Kinda surprised no one got to the point, Patel and BingBongDino >can't< talk about epstein, because their current boss is all >over< the files. It feels like everyone has just forgotten trump was a huge part of that world
Gotta say guys, as somebody who lives in Northeast LA, I do see random little anti-Trump crap pop up from time to time. It's not that unusual - little signs, graffiti, etc. etc. When visiting my family and taking day hikes in the rural Northwest, it is not unusual to come across a painted rock or something that's anti-Biden, or back in the day, anti-Obama. It does seem like a complete waste of a beautiful day outside, but there's certainly plenty of people that are eager to do this nonsense. Not that much different really than the jerks who wasted money to turn their trucks into diesel pollution spewing machines so that they could "Roll Coal" whenever they saw a Prius. So, I totally bought Comey's story about seeing it arranged in the sand. Taking a picture of it seems like something my mother would do, although she would've only sent it to me because she doesn't do social media. But if she did have a social media account, I can totally see her posting it, and she's no dummy. Just not very socially savvy. No, sounds quite likely to me actually. I seriously doubt he made it up.
I think it's very plausible that he saw it while walking on the beach. I think it's ridiculous that he had no idea what it meant (get rid of Trump) when he posted it. He just didn't expect that all the fine people would accuse him of encouraging assassination.
liv agar
Needs more Liv
I deliver mail and like 5 years ago management stopped giving away free bottled water and sports drinks for carriers. Insane that Pirro thinks bottled water should be free.
From QAA Productions: Banal of Cabal: How The Deep State Is Just a Bunch of People Going To Work and Then Going Home
Will Sommer!
A prison suicide and a murder by the state are not functionally different.
For real. I've been saying for years that all they needed to do was "oopsie" not watch him for a few and let him off himself. Pedophiles aren't popular in prison, and losing that much money and influence was probably totally personally devastating to him, so he had plenty of motivation.
I really thought the shell thing looked AI generated, which is even more stupid
LIV AGAR IS BACK
…Alex Jones is not well.
And if you want to see him work as a toady watch him defend Trump or Musk. He's quite adapt and betrays his own previous ideas all the time.
Also: I’ve just read an article in the Economist that mentions Graham Hancock met Peter Thiel, but the meeting went awry because Thiel wanted to talk about aliens, not Atlantis. DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON THIS?
No but it sounds deliciously melted!
Bye Biden! The Zionist genocide backer who prematurely declared the pandemic over for the US, against the advice of the WHO, leading to untold suffering, paving the way for trump too. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
This is a weird inversion of ex intelligence personnel getting into conspiracy theories.
Content note for grief Not to upset anyone but I'm quite solitary and lonely like a lot of people nowadays and thought I'd reach out to old friends from childhood after a long time building myself up to it, only to find out one of the two had died recently and they and their partner had not just been antivaxxers, seemingly from lockdowns onwards but had become covid was a hoax 'new world order' conspiracy theorists. Their partner told me I am lucky to be alive from having the vaccines, cause people around them are ill or dropping dead (they understood this to be the fault of the Covid vaccines). I couldn't bring myself obviously to say in the face of their massive loss and grief (and my own) that Covid can do all that to our bodies, or to suggest that they do something as obvious to protect themselves as to get vaccinated and wear a well fitting respirator where air is shared, especially indoors. It was an extra layer of alienation. Of course their young family also unvaccinated. Just so demoralising and very close to home.
And just maddening and sad.
Imagining episodes of Trickle Down where Travis is like "well I looked into it and it turns out eugenics is correct and Gatorade really is like Popeye's spinach"
What i find unbelievable is that anyone would share any important information with bebop and rocketed.
Liv Agar OnlyFeet!
at 15:50 you mention an account talking about the poles switching and the planet being destroyed... my dad was telling me that the poles are switching a few days ago and i had NO IDEA its a new conspiracy thing. i would love it if you made an episode explaining it!! :)
‘Pole shift’ theories have been around for ages, it’s just having one of its periodic revivals.
A child would know “86” is a call to assassination but the Prez doesn’t know “groceries” is in current usage
Liv agar
Epstein didn’t kill himself
Not even once
Biden is a jinchūriki for Q. He needs to seal it away in someone else before he goes.
liv agar
at last
that's not the real Bongino, obviously a clone
Totally, the ears are completely different!
liv agar
Truly, I am all Liv Agar on this blessed day!
Jake Jake Jake
but has anyone told him about the man in the stairs
Under grandma lutskos house? They really look like Dan bongino!
It’s been so long without a Will Sommer episode, I was afraid you all had a falling out and hated each other now, so this is a pleasant surprise
Jake wishing a "speedy recovery" to an 82 year old man with Stage 5 metastisized cancer really made me giggle
not to be a pedant, but there are only four (IV) stages of cancer; Stage IV inherently means "metastatic".
Liv Agar
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Liv Agar!
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Liv Agar~!
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New ep to get me through the weekend, thanks boys!, and LIV!
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