Luigi Mangione (Premium E271)

Title of this Ep should’ve been “any justification, will do”.

Liv Agar

Liv Agar!

Jake Rockatansky

awesome ep - first listened to it while falling asleep and had horrible nightmares so only coming back to it now - and finding Julien created a wonderfully crafted ep raising great issues minus the ‘haughty reproach’ from minute 49. Got to look in the mirror every now and then - sorry Liv love you so much but whats a leftist fascist called? Or is that just youthful hubris? theres a suprisingly permeable boundary between a latvian red rifleman and a perceptive dude that you meet in the wagon wheel (as there is between a bernie supporter gone maga) . thanks travis for bringing the data…

Liv Agar

Look, if I was a planning a crime like this I absolutely would build in wacko numerology stuff.

Liv Agar

I feel like it’s liberal bait, especially if it was coming from a debate me bro who wanted to gotcha you on being some ivory tower intellectual. But Jesus man, this guy doesn’t know the difference between modernism and postmodernism. Like, do you know under what movement architecture in Russia became radically more human-centered? (Ignoring ‘incrementalist’ changes to reorient modernist apartment estates into more town-square style dwellings in Soviet states across the 80s). It starts with a p and ends ostmodernism.

Liv agar

Liv Agar

I can get my weekly pellet of Virtue from listening to you guys? Cool. Lol Great discussion! I actually know THE guy who invented the Pocket Pussy in the 80s. He called it “the Pussy Pager” His name is Greg Wright, his company is called Wright Thinking, he lives in Sherman Oaks. He has detailed electronic designs on how it would work. He also won a Philip Morris award for stop animation, like the one used for Peter Gabriel’s MTV version of Sledgehammer.

The fact that Luigi’s lawyer is married to Diddy’s lawyer means this circus is gonna be exhausting

Starting to feel like class consciousness sparking any real change in America is our lefty version of the great awakening. I worry it’s equally delusional.

Okay. I bite. This is the sample that made me fork over $5 bucks. (Keep up the great work, guys, we need you now more than ever)

Liv and Julian’s takes are just horrible. This whole, I’m smart, you’re dumb tankie stuff is tiring. This straw man of liberals they’ve created is cringe. Accusing others of not being able to listen to opposing opinions while bashing the NYT for not giving your opinion shows a lack of self awareness. I love this podcast, but I didn’t sign up for Chapo Trap House.

Chronic back pain could drive a person to do anything!

Av Ligar

Liv Agar

Liv Agar

this is an all-time top 5 episode 👏🏻 (also liv agar)

Liv Agar

Liv Agar

Liv Agar

Love these unabashed commie episodes. Julian be channeling some Matt Christman in this one. Also, Liv Agar.

You guys should make this episode free. One of your best.

Great ep. Especially pleased and surprised by all the shout-outs to the FLN's liberation struggle, as I listened to this whilst I was literally bopping around Algiers.

I have probably a similar condition to Luigi and have had the whole spinal fusion and am up for a revision in a few weeks. I thank fuck for Australian health care. It’s not perfect but I can get the care I need and it won’t bankrupt me.

Liv saying that we love Luigi because he’s handsome and that the Trump shooter being all dead and bloody gave her the ick just sent me.

Please unlock this one it’d bring people to the podcast

Inspector Tommy Numbers on the case!

Liv Agar

Julian has definitely seen the cushvlogs

This might be my favorite episode ever and the one where I agree with JF the most. I think always about what pressed the population to the point of revolution in Russia and in China and its just so INEVITABLE. I love the way you described the “end of stalemate” and stuff finally happening. Because of course we aren’t going to know how the oppression is going to come to consequence, but the consequences ARE inevitable. I don’t condone violence but I don’t NOT condone violence either. I mean this dude is willing to go to jail and face the legal consequences for premeditated murder. We have legal consequences for premeditated murder because people commit premeditated murder - and usually for much stupider reasons. So I mean what can I say? I don’t know what’s going to happen. It makes me think of that scene where Christian Bale (as a 12 year old) is slapped in the face by the Chinese housekeeper in Empire of the Sun. And I guess Steven Spielberg maybe wanted the audience to feel like “aw”. But I felt like “Man I bet that felt great for her.” Society cant just keep being a massive asshole without getting fucked sometimes. I think that’s from Thunderbirds. I have no original ideas. But So yeah. Great episode. Thanks

I just need you to know that a true crime podcast let me to qaa. I'm honestly not sure which is worse for my mental health at this time, but I'm so glad I'm here.

My favorite Ted K moment was that he befriended Tim McVeigh in prison despite Tim's liberal mindset.

Is Julian trying to do a "Travis"?

"Go read the New York Times, fucking bitch" is the best line I've ever heard Liv say. I laughed out loud. Love the episode, glad to be a supporter

I'm surprised there was no discussion of the doubts that Mangione was framed? It was pretty common in my circles and seemed like something you would at least comment on

As a teacher of history your stance on violence mirrors my own. This episode was refreshing and made me glad I finally started paying for patreon. Thank you for the work you do.

Liv Agar

Thanks for always talking about Palestine, Julian

Julian’s time to shine. Really good stuff thank you for this episode.

I wonder what the overlap is of people who have a favorable view of Luigi Mangione and also think Daniel Penny straight up murdering a mentally ill homeless person was justified.

Idk if you all know this but I think the other podcast players that load RSS have stopped this episode from being played. I use YouTube music for it's RSS feature and this episode won't play anymore.

Tucker Carlson accidentally agreeing with Oscar Wilde while thinking Thomas Kinkade was a great artist probably

I kind of feel like Julian needs his own pod where he just yells and calls people idiots, and discloses tragic facts about his personal life and mental health. It can be titled, "We're So Cooked".

You say yourself that comparing Mangione to the FLN etc is false. So why bring it up? As a leftist, the question when violence is justified should maybe be discussed with less broad strokes. Eg. We all hate landlords - killing them at random will achieve exactly nothing. I understand wanting to react against ridiculous mainstream coverage but this ends up just wanting to be edgy

Please take the Internet away from people... Their brains have become mush with all their searching for patterns.

Liv agar

inshallah we will all embrace allah’s light

Not even all the way through but this is some of the best leftists analysis I’ve heard yet of the killing and the reactions from the public and the elite. I’m in a very Dem/Lib area of California where to mention that violence can be politically effective is taboo, and I’ve been seeing this event wake some people up to the fact that IT IS EFFECTIVE. Clearly none of us are calling for any specific violence, but as Julian and Liv are saying (and I say to anyone around who’ll listen) this is a historical inevitability when all avenues of nonviolent reform or impact on the system(s) have been closed. No “release valve” for intolerable conditions historically results in violent reactionary and/or revolutionary acts, period. If anyone doubts these historical dynamics, I’d point you to the Revolutions podcast series by Mike Duncan for an overview and written references.

Great ep! Julian’s lefty passion is inspiring and hilarious in equal parts

Great episode! I do think the reading group Luigi was a member of disbanding over reading Ted K is an interesting piece of info. Appears to be why he posted that review in the first place.

Wowzers. A fucking good episode.

Liv agar

Just to echo a couple other commenters, this episode should be unlocked for the main/public feed. It’s the best Luigi pod episode out there.

Darth Livagar

Can y’all do an ep on ballerina farm, the raw milk, app to track your cycle, Peter theil, trad wives, etc

Liv Laugh Love Agar

I know this is a really self-centred & myopic take, but I have to go to battle (again) over reimbursement for a year's worth of PT & SLPT. (Many PTs & SLPs aren't billing insurance anymore b/c they don't ever get paid.) We've hemorrhaged so much cash w/o repayment (& our insurance is far from the worst). My hope is that Luigi's act, folly or not, might lessen my fight & make the resistance to coverage just a fraction less oppositional. On the larger scale, I hope it does the same for many, many others. Maybe I am utterly naïve or blindly optimistic, but I want this act to render us some reuslts, some relief, because the suffering is real. So real & so widespread.

I'm a basic bitch who doesn't read much but a book I did read was Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee etc. The passage that never left my brain from that book is: "THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

So weird to hear some turbonormie take on Japan since usually it’s weeb heaven. He has ZERO idea about Shinto/Buddhism and how the Japanese interact with their culture and nature. Collectivist cultures don’t give two flying farts about his ‘muh individuality’. Also: Liv Agar

Liv Agar!

Liv Agar!!!

I was hoping to get a starship trooper quote. Sounds like y’all agree with heinlein a bit more these days.

Liv Agar? More like Love Agar.

Julian was spitting this episode

Liv Agar

Also: Mashallah, for He smiles upon brother Mangione, as is written in the Quoran.

As far as activating Liv. Julian kind of mushed his words and it sounded more like Liv was a Manchurian Canada than Manchurian candidate which seems apt. Also - Liv Agar

Julian: don't stop, I'm so close.

Liv Agar

Want to hear Julian continue his thoughts on Hinckley

I had someone say to me "well it's not the CEOs fault, if he didn't do it, someone else would" and it made me so mad. These systems do not function by themselves, they are not a force of nature like gravity. The purpose of a system is what it does, and what this system does is obfuscate the social murder of the many so that the few can be powerful.

I likes that he did the thing. I also liked that he read a Matty Yg book and said it was deeply stupid and ideologically vacant, or close to that

Tucker Carlson doing a fucked up Christopher Alexander impression is a real bummer. You can hate shitty architecture and urban design without being a retvrn guy

so fucking true lol: A trad’s politics are as crude as “it was better back then” & these are the same people who ironically support a system that keeps accelerating them further beyond what they apparently value about “back then”

Great episode! Thank you.

Ted K

I'm about 2/3rds through the episode and Liv just made a throwaway comment that has broken my brain. There was *really* a provider that was planning to start not pay for anaesthetics midway through an operation depending on how long it went on? That's just an insane thing to hear. I can't imagine my reaction if I got a letter in the post and fucking read that.

GO READ THE NEW YORK TIMES YOU FUCKING BITCH = ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

in super Mario bros. 2 on level 28, you play as Luigi

I wonder if he had a brain injury during his surfing accident. They can bring a loss executive function and withdrawal from relationships. TBI and violence go hand in hand.

PSYOPERATIONS

The French would still ve in Algeria if they had unlimited american protection and support. Rhodesia and the Portuguese settlers in Africa would be too . The nytimes journalists who cover israel have children who volunteer to join an army of occupation. They aren't objective and cnn is even worse. They submit all their gaza coverage to a military censor.....

Live is such a nice person. Luigi is a loser

“Go read the New York Times. You fucking bitch.” Love you Liv

Liv - "Go read the New York Times, bitch." The. Best.

Julian, your opening monologue made me cry, maybe because I am still crying over the tragic reality that if Luigi had instead murdered my innocent child at his desk in school, he’d be getting a lesser charge, but still. You all are right about everything in this episode. They hate us, they hate us so much, and they want to shame us for simply hating them back.

The only negative aspect of this episode is it being restricted to the Premium Feed. Travis could've been in a better state of health, but that's "nature". Get better Mr T.

Look Human is now selling "In This House Luigi Mangione is a Hero" shirts. Shocking no one.

liv agar

Julian is 1000000% correct re Palestinian resistance.

Was there not any decoy theories being spun out there?

I hope Julian and you all feel some catharsis. It’s refreshing to hear my indignant screams screamed back at me.

Brutalism is modernist

Liv Mangione

“Go read the New York Times, you fucking bitch” needs to go on merch.

Jules said nothing wrong

PREACH Julian! This is an episode that everyone needs to hear.

*my internal dialogue* "But how can I relate this criticism of capitalism to Ghostbusters or the Alien franchise?"

Mark Twain, writing on the French Revolution: "There were two 'Reigns of Terror,' if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the 'horrors' of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

This has to be unlocked, it's so good

IMO The real cause of this killing was the passivity of the American people. Americans have for too long let the rich and powerful get away with kicking them around, which encourages their tormentors to kick them more. It's a kind of prey/preditor situation: the more prey acts like prey, the more the preditor acts like preditor. This situation has gotten so bad that now the (some) average pisan is forced to fight back with violence. Americans should have fought back far sooner using nonviolence means, then maybe this murder wouldn't have happened.

Liv Agar Because we love her

Liv Agar

I work in medical billing and HOLLERED when I heard the lady bring up the 286 code. I felt so much relief when yall pointed out that it was a timely filing denial.

great ep we love u Julian and Liv (and everyone else too obviously )

Julian you have nothing to apologize for an I am in fact kissing you on the lips in an Italian manner for your correct opinions

Excellent episode, lovely to see people in the comments saying they’re unsubscribing. If ya can’t handle the heat of a pretty tame podcast (that I do love dearly, tbf) then see ya later! Ted K should obviously not ever be valorised. I don’t even think Luigi should necessarily be valorised. But, to quote Monty Python and the Holy Grail (of all things): “come see the violence inherent in the system!” How we continue to accept such a manifestly unjust system without meaningfully challenging its hegemonic institutions is beyond me.

Julian: thank you for putting to words my feeling on how much Luigi is both a result of systemic policy in place and an accelerant of the blowback from anti-leftist cultural contexts NOT a justification for anti-leftist.

This episode reached my limit. Just cancelled.

Julian ILYSM

Luigi, the anti-pocket pussy paisan

Incredible episode. One of the best.

I identify with Travis’ silence.

286. BHF. BHF. B. BRIAN. BRIAN THOMPSON. BRAIN. BRAVE. H. HEALTHCARE. HONOR. HATE. HEAVEN. HELL. F. FREEDOM. FAIRNESS. FINANCE. BRIAN HATES FAIRNESS. BRIAN HAS FINANCES. BRAVERY HONOR FREEDOM. BAD HEALTHCARE FUCKIT. BuaHahahaaff

Did anyone else notice the smooth "pokemon go" slipped in by Liv at 55:53?

Did some digging and the last 3 numbers of the UPC for that specific back are, you guessed it, 286. Also 1 hour and 25 minutes later and I still don’t know what his relation to Chuck Mangione is.

Damn this cold open is amazing.

I don't know about Tarkov spine but I'm worried I might develop Tug-off spine.

I did not have mention of pocket pussies on my Luigi bingo card.

Basically... is violence good? No. That's why the working class should never let the ruling class get the idea that they should go off searching for how far they can take oppression before things get violent beyond their ability to suppress it. Was the violence of the Algerian independence movement, for example, good? If one says no, why does the blame for this violence fall upon the independence movement itself, and none on the people who said "they can't beat us, so why should we worry what they do in response to this?". These movements arose and fought in response to an implicit "Bring it on". I've seen some bad lib readings of world politics suggest that this event is uniquely American because of the violence of it. No, what's uniquely American about it is how long their capitalists have been prodding the body politic, searching for where they meet resistance, and never finding it. The French don't hold on to things like 5 weeks of vacation in exchange for good behaviour and pacifism. They get it because everyone knows what happens if they try to take even half a day from that. Instant chaos from the whole of society.

this is one of the best episodes! funny cause I clearly remember julian’s reaction to that liberal lady saying that that guy shouldn’t have missed

Liv Agar

I feel like there's a day-go_es_by bit here

Julian said nothing wrong, and in fact I would not enjoy any of my present comfort without past violence (chattel slavery: bad, and resistance to same: good)

It's been my experience that all of us have a switch in us. When off we are civilized, rationale, peaceful creatures. But when pushed hard enough that switch clicks on and people are capable of anything. The amount of pressure to activate that switch varies among individuals. Some switches take a lot of pressure, some very little. Everyone has that switch, even the most timid. Among most people the switch works unconsciously: they can't activate the switch themselves. It just happens. But some, through natural ability or training ( such as soldiers, cops etc) manual control can be trained in. Looks like Luigi's switch is working.

After the "do you not understand what capitslism is?" I started wondering if I myself really inderstand it. Is there a "capitalism for dummies"

Julian, fucking preach on.

You’re never in trouble for speaking against Zionism, Julian. Just stinky libs around

Listening to Tucker talk about art makes me want to [Julian BEEP]

Livigi Magarione

my crank belief is that ultimately the conservative project will result in like a scorn-like eusocial biomechanical nightmare. and while I do think some kinda freaky eusociality will develop like on a long enough timescale I think the choice is whether we get to be happy or miserable but this is also probably a schizophrenia delusion so Im probably very wrong lol

Luigi 2028

🙏 Psyopportunities! 🙏

Yay! My prayers answered once again

thank y'all for the birthday gift

LET'S A GO

🤌🤌🤌 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🏥

Liv Mangione

Haven't listened yet but excited to see how many bleeps Julian gets.

Finally, I can have an opinion

surprising amount of luigi ao3 fanfiction, but, as i think at least once a month: surprising lack of qaa ao3 fanfiction...

Eat the rich.

WOW didn't even know about the fanfiction angle