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December 8, 2022

EARLY EPISODE: King Philip's War Part 1: That Isn't How Dead Bodies Work

The little known story of the most apocalyptic war in American History. 

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Kate Mozier-Tichy · April 19, 2023

Learned about this... all my life. 13th generation descendant of Captain George Denison, leader of a group of Pequots and other natives during King Phillip's War. He lived, was given land, and ended his life as a terrible neighbor. The court cases are often hilarious. Another ancestor was Thomas Stanton, a negotiator of the Treaty of Hartford of 1637. As a historian, researching them is fun.

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Kathy A · February 14, 2023

I hadn’t heard of King Philip’s War until I started working on my family genealogy a few years ago. I discovered that one of my 10th great grandfathers was Richard Waldron, and one of my 9th great grandfathers was Charles Frost. They were co-leaders in a military raid on a native village–I’ll quote from Waldron’s Wikipedia page: “At the end of King Philip's War, a number of Indians fleeing from the Massachusetts Bay Colony militia took refuge with the Abenaki tribe living around Dover. The Massachusetts militia ordered Waldron to attack these natives and turn any refugee combatants over to them. Waldron believed he could capture the natives without a pitched battle by resorting to subterfuge and so, on 7 September 1676, he invited the natives—about 400 in total, half local and half refugees—to participate in a mock battle against the militia. After the natives had fired their guns, Waldron, aided by Charles Frost, took them prisoner. Waldron then sent both the refugee combatants and those locals who violently objected to this forced breach of hospitality to Boston, where seven or eight leaders were convicted of insurrection and executed, including Monoco, Muttawmp, Matoonas, and Old Jethro (Tantamous) to whom Waldron may have promised amnesty in negotiations with his son Peter Jethro. The rest of the captives were sold into slavery in "foreign parts", mostly Barbados. The local Indians were released, but never forgave Waldron for the deception, which violated all the rules of honor and hospitality valued by both sides.” They were both targeted—Waldron was murdered in a raid on Dover, NH in 1689 and Frost was ambushed riding home from church in 1697. (I just recently discovered that another victim of Frost’s ambush, a neighbor named Phebe Heard, was a 10th great grandaunt on my great-grandmother’s other side than the Frost line.)

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Thomas Thompson · January 4, 2023

I think there were two whole sentences devoted to King Phillip's War in my middle school history text book. That's the same number of sentences that were devoted to the 1921 "Tulsa Race Riots" in my high school level Oklahoma History textbook.

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Dorchaidhe Spring · December 14, 2022

I grew up in Plymouth County. I went to public school in Massachusetts. We did not learn about this war in school beyond maybe a small side paragraph/caption type of thing in a very outdated history book. I learned about the pilgrims and "the first Thanksgiving" about one million times though. I went to a thing called "Plimoth Plantation" for field trips a lot too. It was basically a reenactment of the settlement. They didn't talk about all the parasites. I also have a very stupid accent.

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Christopher Parelius · December 13, 2022

As resident of the Dawn Land I'm so stoked to see this as the new series. This war is so prophetic of US Native relations.

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Raehan Durlabhji · December 12, 2022

In Bruges is my favorite movie so I now have confirmation that Joe and Liam are men of class

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SpacemanSpiffLives · December 12, 2022

Calvinball. Perfect comparison bravo Joe

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Daniel · December 10, 2022

SE PA, never heard of King Philips war before reading about 17th General Crisis, seemed kinda genocidey

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Chappington · December 9, 2022

Ooof, "remember this for later" really hits different when you know what's coming up

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Boils · December 9, 2022

We already knew Liam is a sassy bitch, the sticker just confirms it

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Rylan May · December 8, 2022

What is even happening

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Calum Ferguson · December 8, 2022

A Weeb for the Netherlands is a Cloghead surely!

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Matt · December 8, 2022

Still a more acceptable sort of weeb no matter what you think of the Dutch.

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Csd2016 · December 8, 2022

I am currently going to school for archaeology in Boston, and read a site report for a King Philips War era indigenous settlement in western Massachusetts. In short, it described a large assemblage of various native artifacts spanning thousands of years, with advancements and changes in techniques visible. Then, just a thin layer of ash, and nothing. Really underscores just how hellish this conflict was. If anybody is interested in further reading on this, I highly recommend Our Beloved Kin by Lisa Brooks!

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Jonas Schwammberger · December 8, 2022

You know, Switzerland has that harmless blackface tradition as well. They were called "Schmutzli", but I don't see them as much anymore. I wonder why.

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Louis G · December 8, 2022

Atun-shei just released a video about class makeup of colonial militias you'd love

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Jakob Rodriguez · December 8, 2022

He’s done a ton of work on King Philip’s War. As someone from the area it’s been really interesting to look more into this conflict. We weren’t taught a whole lot about it despite the fact that the Indigenous resistance almost won.

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Page Chase · December 8, 2022

I always associate Maine pizza with Otto's. What's nice is they're in Boston too so I can get my Sriracha avocado chicken or mashed potato bacon pizza on. (Though I usually just order from Venice or Molinari's because they're closer and they have clam pies)

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Clammy_Damp · December 9, 2022

Mashed potato bacon scallion slices slap hard

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Elder Dog · December 8, 2022

I agree with Liam. Maine is a really nice place.

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Boils · December 9, 2022

Maine is a hive of methheads and geese

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Matthew Feldman · December 8, 2022

Grew up just outside of Boston and was never taught about King Philips war and we did all the colonial shit from Plymouth Rock to Sturbridge village and all of them in between. We even learned about the Pequot war which was used to justify building Foxwoods and Mohegan sun casinos

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Evan Andrews · December 8, 2022

Philly suburbs. Have only heard of King Philips war via podcasts about the Salem witch trials. LPOTL as Joe said, and Aaron Mahnke’s Unobscured Podcast series about the witch trials. King Philips war seems like a pretty big inspiration for that particular New England horror aesthetic.

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Simon Mee · December 8, 2022

Fuck yes, there's been some good books on it that I haven't been able to get round to reading, so a Lions retelling of the story is ideal.

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Alex Temple · December 8, 2022

New England in the house!