EARLY EPISODE: The Sicilian Expedition
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Hoping to get one over on their Spartan enemies, Athens is tricked by some fancy furniture and sweet chains and invades Sicily. Before the operation can even start, one commander who is trying to stop the invasion frames another for the crime of sacrilege, leading him to defect to the Spartans and convince them to join the war to stop Athens. Somehow, that isn't even the strangest thing that happens over the next two years.
SOURCES:
Ellis, Walter M. Alcibiades. New York: Routledge, 1989
Kagan, Donald. The Peace of Nicias and the Sicilian Expedition. Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press,
Thucydides. The Peloponnesian War. Translated by Richard Crawley.
Strauss, Barry S., and Josiah Ober. The Anatomy of Error: Ancient Military Disasters and Their Lessons for Modern Strategists. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1990
Porter, Barry. Misplaced Aggression: The Athenian Defeat at Syracuse. Military Heritage. Vol. 9 No. 2.
Comments (35)
I feel bad every time y'all mention skipping the intro but I'm sorry I haaate your intro music. It's so loud
Currently live in Ionia Michigan and can confirm
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I love Tom’s joke about Leon!
I just wanted to share with you that my 14-year-old daughter asked me to read the highlands burn a chapter at a time before bed. We just started chapter 7 and she's already coming up with fan theories and used her new art set that you got for her birthday to draw a picture of midnight (I'll ask her share it when it's finished).
Town of “katana” The Sicilians were studying the blade
I read or heard somewhere that the real victors of the peloponnesian war was the Persians and Corinth. The Persians bankrolled both sides and kept them fighting longer than they would have otherwise, exhausting both cities. By staying out of it Corinth later defeated Sparta and became the biggest city-state on the block, for a while at least.
"Help me, Step-Spartan! I'm stuck in the siege wall!" Nicias, probably
As a New Yorker, we dont just have Syracuse and Attica, we have Troy, Rome, Ithaca, Utica, Corinth, Camilius, Seneca; a bunch of them were settled in the neoclassical revival in the early 18th century
Only Joe could pronounce the name Demosthenes and make me think he said something involving mayonnaise.
I could build a Cold War fighter out of all the aluminum beer cans I've crushed in my (oh, fuck me) 11 years of drinking.
The movie heavily features Athenian naval operations. The spartan ships only show up right at the end with the queen leading.
Everyone in ancient Greece feared Syracusian soldiers because they were down ass ninjas.
The whole story sounds like some sort of self-destructive dilettante Olympics. Really sorry for the guys who got enslaved in the end. Now I understand even better why Aristophanes mocked this war so strongly.
And let's not forget why Alcibiades had to leave Sparta - seducing one of the Spartan queens and getting her pregnant. Probably some others too.
*raises hand sheepishly when Tom says there are listeners with a map of 5th century BCE Sicily available*
I disagree with the absolute statement that Nicias was responsible for castrating the Hermae to stop the Sicilian Expedition. It's certainly one of the theories, but in reality, no one knows who did it.
Earth Crisis IS from Syracuse, i worked with their guitarists brother for a little bit. it’s kind of like the midwest of New York, Joe would certainly get the vibe there
here for andré leon tini, thank you tom
Alcibiades - THE biggest ego in the ancient world. Does anyone disagree?
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Alcibiades the wise?
Tldl; Pious fucker demolishes the idols of his own god and causes his(and his own state's downfall)
So much of Classical Greek history is so similar to modern history. The Athenian/Spartan Cold War, the politics, the "security alliances" which are really just protection rackets, the foreign interventions and mission creep, so much hasn't changed. The same goes for Rome.
Wait the gorgoneion is a juggalo visage?! Medusa is a juggalo?!!!!
Also Alcibiades absolutely smashed the Herms. 1) he'd been blabbing about The Mysteries 2) I don't think he wanted to do the thing, a trial over the herms & given his popularity would have been a slap on the wrist & a "invasion doesn't proceed"
To paraphrase futurama Joe got cooled off by the windmills
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOODNIGHT!
Can't believe it didn't come up that the stone markers they accused Alcibiades of destroying were a bust of Hermes on top of a stone block with a dick and balls carved into it.
And the statues were mutilated by basically full castration.
Fuck painted bike strips. Give me a separated lane or gtfo
There is a Delphi, Indiana, and it is home to Indiana Packers, which is an industrial pig slaughterhouse.
Each new incarnation of their Oracle completes an act of True Prophecy in warning of impending doom for an entire cadre of Pinkertons, only for it to be taken as an artistic expression of anti-Union busting sentiment
Finally getting around to my favourite Ancient Greek Fuck-boi Alcibiades
Extremely disappointed that Joe didn't mention how Alcibiades got up in the Assembly and said the rules didn't apply to him because he was a Special, Special Boy.
YES!!! I DM y’all on twitter about it two year ago. So I am happy to see y’all finally finna do it.
