June 1, 2025

EARLY EPISODE: The Order: Part 1

Come see us in London June 22nd:

https://bigbellycomedy.club/event/lions-led-by-donkeys-podcast-live-big-fat-festival-southbank/
Tom takes us on a journey exploring the origins and crimes of The Order, an American Neo Nazi terror group led by a dork ass loser and adult convert to Mormonism.

Sources:

The Order: Inside America’s Racist Underground by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt

The Long History of White Nationalism in America by George Hawley https://lithub.com/the-long-history-of-white-nationalism-in-america/

The History of Tax Resistance: How Pocketbook Worries Became Ideological by Joseph Thorndike

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxnotes/2024/01/22/the-history-of-tax-resistance-how-pocketbook-worries-became-ideological/

British Israelism: Critical Dictionary of Apocalytic and Millenarian Movements by Aidan Cottrell-Boyce

https://www.cdamm.org/articles/british-israelism

C-SPAN Cities Tour - Coeur d'Alene: Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLyDE0kDK-w

The Rise and Fall of Aryan Nations: A RESOURCE MOBILIZATION PERSPECTIVE by Robert W. Balch

https://www.jstor.org/stable/45294187

The Order - Rise of the Far Right: Robert J Mathews by ABC Broadcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2rfOGNwIU&t=172s

Comments (60)

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Bones · August 4, 2026

Jim Mormison

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cynicalscriiible · February 5, 2026

Man my black ass keeps coming back to this series because of the Mickey Mouse voice plus the absolute loser energy of the order. 💀 I keep thinking no way can they get worse BUT THEY DO 😭😭

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NowhereMan661 · October 9, 2025

I gotta disagree, I don't have much sympathy for this dad. He was way too lenient, and even though he knew that all this shit his son was getting into was fucked up, he did absolutely nothing to stop it. He is the most Liberal dad ever.

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Anastasia Turley · August 2, 2025

I work at a print shop and recently I a customer gave me a copy of the things the come into print. It is unhinged antisemitic ramblings that they have sent emails to local police forces demanding they raid Jewish cultural/community centers. The opening bits were funny originally and now it feels like I am living it.

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Bees McBee · June 9, 2025

God you’re so right about that movie. It was decent but it is gonna be so easy for Nazis to take clips from it to repurpose in propaganda. Like they did not need to make his death that ethereal.

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Kevin Bodel · June 9, 2025

Jerusalem is based on a poem by William Blake, and kinda slaps as a national anthem, especially when the alternative is God Save The King. William Blake was an esoteric christian, not a british isrealist. Nothing I’ve read of his is remotely literal, and Jerusalem is about fighting the evils of industrialisation. Amongst other beliefs, he was profoundly anti-modern.

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Alisha Downs · June 7, 2025

They would have just changed it to korn and kocaine

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Al · June 6, 2025

What if your post was just a pamphlet?

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Thomas Lee · June 6, 2025

I had the podcast paused when I started my car. Windows down, podcast resumes on full blast, Joe saying "please hit your child! I'm begging you, please abuse your child!" I just lost it laughing. Luckily the only person around was my elderly neighbor, whom I just met.

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Major Dork Thorklestein, HonFRS · June 11, 2025

Eh, he's probably deaf and *definitely* doesn't know what a podcast is.

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UrinalGoblin · June 6, 2025

I've spent too long trying to find the comic Nate was talking about

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JM · June 5, 2025

Joes Rant at 1:01 may be my favorite LLBD clip of the year

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Marjorie Zeager · June 5, 2025

Jim Mormisson.

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Marjorie Zeager · June 5, 2025

Tom I can guarantee you as an American that the tax stuff doesn't make sense to us either. If you make less than 80k or so you just use a free submit company, and if you don't, you probably pay for TurboTax or you Have A Guy who does it for you.

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Jon O · June 4, 2025

Did they by chance mention how many episodes in total the series would be? I like to wait for them to be complete so I can listen straight through.

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Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast · June 4, 2025

Its going to be 4 (Tom)

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Cody Johnson · June 4, 2025

Instant classic. Glad to have our Irish Terror Correspondent back in the driver’s seat

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Svennie · June 4, 2025

Mickey Mouse Jim Morrison combined with right wing bullshit is just Morrissey

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Gil the Gilded Dragon · June 3, 2025

Oh the ten lost tribes of Israel. ... Why don't we call Cyrus the Great "Cyrus Christ"? He earned the title when he undid the Babylonian exile The Chinese Jews (The Blue Muslims) traced descent patrilinealy

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Gil the Gilded Dragon · June 3, 2025

Oh so Brit's are both Jews & troyan? Wait how did they stay after the edict of expulsion! Re Eden: it was a wife swapping situation. Angels fallen or not love wife swapping cf Dee & Kelly. According to legend demons were born of Asmodeus' wife seducing Adam & getting his generative juices

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Colin Hurt · June 3, 2025

Almost crashed my car from laughing during the Doors Mickey section lmao

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Connor · June 3, 2025

Post-War California Aerospace guys also invented MLM and founded Amway. Very cool group of guys, apparently.

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Kyle Desseau · June 3, 2025

When you first said zog, I thought we were gonna see some anti-albanian shenanigans

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Chris W · June 3, 2025

so...if Ben Shapiro is Wing Gundam, Robert Mathews is Wing Zero?

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Wren · June 3, 2025

Spoiler junior mints are cancelled ☹️

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ruin · June 3, 2025

At the time the belief of psychiatrists was that schizophrenia was caused by bad mothering, I can't help but wonder if that was a factor with the family drifting apart. That's a real fucked up thing to lay on someone.

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ChipotleAway · June 3, 2025

Y’all joke about the sugar tax, but I’m gonna end up in the gulag under RFK Jr.

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ruin · June 3, 2025

The Woo Lag

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Ol Purdy Bastard · June 2, 2025

Proud to be the guy who points out William Pierce is definitely dead.

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Ol Purdy Bastard · June 2, 2025

Antifa Cancer 1-0 William Pierce

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Mark Hewson · June 2, 2025

It’s been a rough few days and the Mickey Mouse voice has me pissing myself, thanks gents.

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Noblese Oblahaj · June 2, 2025

God. So much of this kid sounds like those people that catch the TERF prion and just get completely consumed by it. Communists infiltrating our bathrooms, winning sports

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Noblese Oblahaj · June 2, 2025

White supremacist literature is so weird. It's all like the first draft of a teenager's TTRPG that they abandoned halfway through. Badly written, nothing makes sense, and designed to make the worst people alive indulge a power fantasy.

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Noblese Oblahaj · June 2, 2025

Nate reading the turner diaries would be a meta joke that the skinheads wouldn't appreciate. Maybe they could get Milo on and read it in the Vanderklerk voice

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Noblese Oblahaj · June 2, 2025

They're going to cast a pretty twink to play young Adolph in a biopic, and people will call him Hotler

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Nicholas Kidd · June 2, 2025

1946 Battle of Alcatraz would make a good episode. Prisoners take over the island and in response two platoon of marines just back from the pacific use tactics they learned against the Japanese to take it back

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Em Gravesong · June 2, 2025

I am a young Millennial who grew up a post-9/11 Robbie Matthews type. I still have my class ring I got as *a 9th Grader in 2009* with a big ol' GOP Rhino on it. God, I am glad my parents' fighting made too much a despondent piece of shit to actually get ambitious about it. And now I am a woman, instead.

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SouthpawFL · June 6, 2025

Shit I was a young libertarian due to a misguided online life. Then I went to the first in person meeting and discovered a room full of sweaty angry old men with some "exotic" ideas about taxes and skull shapes. Was entertaining when I thought it was a bit then I realized they really believed it.

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Alex · June 2, 2025

The whole Mickey Mouse thing meant I needed to pull over because I could not drive and listen to it without pissing myself laughing.

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Brode B · June 2, 2025

I'm just stuck doing the voice now 😂🤌

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Noah Ritter · June 2, 2025

The Order, alt. the Company... The Swedish alcohol monopoly is called the Company. Coincidence?! I think not!

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nughh · June 2, 2025

Too bad the bully factory was shutdown despite the strike organised by the Union of Bullies

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Jsuman · June 2, 2025

His name was "Dick But"

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Jan · June 2, 2025

How widespread is British Isrealism? More than you'd think less than it's impact would suggest. Basically the reason televangelism is what it is today in America, but it's a crank belief in those circles after the guy with money died in the 80s

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Jan · June 2, 2025

Speaking of gunshow rhetoric, it's fun that Moxy Fruvous' Michigan Militia was supposed to be so over the top satire gawking at these nutjobs, but enough has changed since the 90s that my first reaction "what the did I listen to to make Spotify think I wanted this Twitter groyper shit?" The only surviving hint of satire was the fact that it wasn't death metal or the lamest song parody you've ever heard -and to be fair that was enough for me to figure it out

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Thomas Layton · June 2, 2025

Political turmoil in Donkestan, last week the nate coup, this week Tom's terrorist insurgency. Experts speculate that Nick may be about to return and seize power.

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Saint Muerte · June 2, 2025

By the way "The Order" starring Jude Law is an actual good movie.

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iDoTechOK · June 2, 2025

This is my Sunday therapy

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En Bee · June 2, 2025

A slip of the tongue that could only happen to a professional podcast producer… General Dynamics makes stuff like F-16 aircraft, Beyerdynamic produces nice headphones and mics.

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Ben · June 1, 2025

Ok, now we need a Weird Little Guys and Donkeys crossover. For those who haven’t listened that show does a really good job discussing where the Order’s stolen money ended up

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iDoTechOK · June 2, 2025

This Ben agrees!

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Matt · June 1, 2025

The second Klan basically did start as a pyramid scheme, the assholes in charge decided to make money selling dumb tchotchkes to hateful assholes. “Klan Brain Force” wouldn’t have been a crazy idea. Also the whole thing was started by Confederate war criminal Nathan Bedford Forrest and was, at first, a straight up terrorist group that got crushed by the Grant administration.

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Star maker 75 · June 1, 2025

Also speaking as Oregonian, yeah that white nationalism is still there in eastern Oregon. Oregon went it came to slavery question, it went "you can't have slaves if you banned non white people" Like I swear it a place where despite me looking very euro/white, if I said i was catholic I would been given the evil eye look.

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Matt · June 1, 2025

Yeah, that’s still a thing with some weirdo backwoods Protestant maniacs. I got that look once or twice in rural areas.

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Sparky · June 1, 2025

Tom's Red Army Faction coverage was impressive. He'll do this really well

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Star maker 75 · June 1, 2025

Since they talk about far left terror groups, they need to talk right terror. We need to be fair

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Star maker 75 · June 1, 2025

Seeing that description, I know it going to be fun one. Since we talk about far left terrorist dorks, it only natural we talk about far right side of terrorist losers.

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Matt · June 1, 2025

If anyone really wants to hear more about these clowns and their fellow Nazi idiots I’ll suggest the podcasts I Don’t Speak German and Weird Little Guys, and the book Bring The War Home. Edit: also a whole bunch of Behind the Bastards episodes, they’ve done Rockwell, Welch, the John Birch Society, etc etc etc.

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Allen · June 1, 2025

+100 to all of those. Along with/The Empire Never Ended.

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I_like_planes_and_cities · June 1, 2025

Hell yeah. Excited to listen to this while I garden!