November 6, 2024

BONUS EPISODE: The Battle of Damascus 1148

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The zoo crew meets to talk about the time a crusade broke down due to a slight case of incest.

Sources:

Burns, Ross. Damascus: A History

Nicolle, David. The Second Crusade 1148 Disaster outside Damascus

Welsh, William. Crusader Calamity at Damascus

Comments (63)

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A.D. London · March 10, 2025

Something important to note is it was common to accuse powerful women of stuff like incest when contemporaries want to blame them for stuff failing.

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Communist bigfoot · March 18, 2025

Rebuttal, incest was also just more common back then, particularly among powerful families, ie. nobles and landed peoples. Not denying that the claim was probably used in a malicious manner or for self interest, just making sure it isn’t the only possibility.

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3 Toed Jim · February 25, 2025

I am also re- reading 1984 for the first time since I was a kid. I love Orwell’s style and I’m a sucker for tale about a dystopian society. I also figured it was pertinent to what’s going on in the world today. Great episode!

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Noblese Oblahaj · December 8, 2024

Instead of Join or Die, we need a flag that says Rock or Something

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Brandon P · November 26, 2024

Adam Baldwin ain't even a real Baldwin. Imagine doing Baldwin stolen valor.

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heffa · November 14, 2024

Oh man, it's been 20+ years since I read The Amtrak Wars!! Next on my reread list. Wish there was an audiobook of it 😥

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Andrew Ashe · November 17, 2024

Yup. Think Ive got some paper copies somewhere at home. Not gonna lie..... even as a british dude christ there's some toe curling shite in there.

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Umimoto Ou · November 13, 2024

now we officially have JoJo Kassabian as our host

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Rae Sifers · November 13, 2024

don't forget about Versailles MO (pronounced ver-SALES) lmao

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3 Toed Jim · November 20, 2024

We have a ver-SALES Kentucky too. 🤦‍♂️

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Corey Peper · November 12, 2024

Me currently sitting in Branson MO 👁️👄👁️

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Monty · November 11, 2024

BLUES BROTHERS MENTIONED!!!

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sistertotherain9 · November 9, 2024

Just wanted to note that the whole uncle / niece fucking might be completely made up by a couple of dudes that blamed Eleanor for pretty much everything that went wrong during the Crusade. Basically that the only reason these righteous dudes failed utterly was because this horny unclefucker weaseled her way into the Crusade, packed too much shit, and brought a lot of girls with her. I get that the incest version is funnier, in a "look at these inbred medieval freaks" way, but it's probably just scapegoating. It's not unknown for "historians" of the time to use incest as a way to smear someone, especially a woman.

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CBK-9 · November 16, 2024

This. It's kinda wild that it was stated as a fact and not just once. Wish they invited Janega or Wyman to guest on this one tbh.

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Erin Parnell · November 8, 2024

As for random Saint names, there is a Saint Maurice and a Saint Bruno as well.

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Taco · November 8, 2024

A VFW post nearish me hosts hardcore shows

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Brenden · November 8, 2024

We need some failed jihad episodes those wheee get as well

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Brenden · November 8, 2024

Are really a true royal if you aren’t just a little into mild incest?

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Will_Pilgrim · November 8, 2024

Wait wait wait let's go back to the part where you had twitter beef with Animal Mother from Fullmetal Jacket

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Hey mind your business, name's not important · November 8, 2024

Who hasn't? He's a loud mouth Republican, that man called Jayne.

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Matthew Mayton · November 8, 2024

Wonder if Joe's dad liked Catch-22 and wanted to pull a Major Major Major.

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Mildly invested · November 8, 2024

learned today that joe is a jo jo huh.

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Aaron · November 7, 2024

I’m enjoying the crusades (episodes not the crusades). Any body got any good recommendations on books about Saladin?

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Brenden · November 8, 2024

The crusades by Thomas Asbridge is very good. As well the The Crusaders by Dan Jones

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SouthpawFL · November 7, 2024

Stay safe sib.

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have you heard the word of Maidens of the Fall? · November 7, 2024

The timing on the open was perfect. Lined up exactly with the sharp fade from the theme.

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William Shackelford · November 7, 2024

Imagine traveling back in time during this crusade and instead of a pop tart, you give the king of Jerusalem a cranberry Sprite

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Tsar of Lobsteria · November 7, 2024

Stand User: Jojo Kasabian Stand: War Pigs

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have you heard the word of Maidens of the Fall? · November 7, 2024

GENERALS GATHER WITH THEIR MASSEEEEEEEEEES

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Mel S · November 7, 2024

Thanks for the episode JJ

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Hammerthrust Von Sexron · November 7, 2024

Didn’t some aspirational reality tv contestants just walk into a White House dinner function in like 2010? Nobody checked?

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Markus D · November 7, 2024

I must have hope in the American people to be able to strike their leader down with a rock.

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P Unit · November 7, 2024

Moctezuma II was maybe killed by getting hit in the head with a rock.

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P Unit · November 7, 2024

Joe and crew. You should cover the Battle of Didgori from this same era. Was it 15k Georgians vs 30k Seljuks? Or was it 10k Georgians vs a million Turks? Who cares!?! All that matters is Seljuks getting absolutely STOMPED by a much smaller force. Also bonus points for South Caucasians.

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William Shackelford · November 7, 2024

This would be epic

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Elder Dog · November 6, 2024

Thanks for this last night sucked.

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William Shackelford · November 7, 2024

Here with you big dawg from South Georgia.

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Hey mind your business, name's not important · November 6, 2024

Since it's been brought up what are we reading? I'm reading a shit load of Elmore Leonard.

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Brenden · November 8, 2024

The new Dan Jones about Henry the V. And The enchanters by James Elroy a great writer period crime novels

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I_like_planes_and_cities · November 6, 2024

Patron Saint of Bowling Alleys… that was fucking hilarious.

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mumbles march · November 6, 2024

Joe maintaining he’s a dumb arse then pulling facts about pontifical naming conventions off the dome is 😂

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Markus D · November 6, 2024

Are Moomins smooth? I always assumed that they were covered in a thin layer of fur. I guess still smooth, but not hairless.

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Henry · November 6, 2024

Hell yeah, love when the Zoo Crew is together \m/

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LeobaL · November 6, 2024

And as for 1984 and its Communist society, Orwell was absolutely a socialist. But he was also very much against communism as it was under Stalin. He didn't like capitalism but hated totalitarianism even more. George was most definitely not a tankie.

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LeobaL · November 6, 2024

This period of European history amuses me for another reason. One of the major arguments you hear about colonialism is "those coloured people just spent all their time fighting each other! We brought peace and civilisation!" Meanwhile, for hundreds of years, Europeans had been... spending all their time fighting each other. The fued between Conrad and Louis spanned generations, and the Crusader territories didn't like each other much either.

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William Shackelford · November 6, 2024

I got one better, instead of ham in jello, use hotdogs, boil them, don’t toss the water. Get you a jello pack, chop the hotdogs and take a filler and fill them Miracle whip. Then open the Jello pack mix into the hotdog water, add some peas and carrots, then add the hotdogs and overnight. BOOM! Tasty HotDog and Veggies Jello.

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Svennie · November 6, 2024

But, why?

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Radio Free Covenant · November 6, 2024

So, what would Joe's Stand be?

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MTM · November 6, 2024

Scared to death about my survival for the next few years but at least I know I'm not alone on that *and* that I'm in good company listening to military faux pas.

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Page Chase · November 6, 2024

Mood. We all needed a distraction today.

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nughh · November 6, 2024

Does this Joe is a JoJo?

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Svennie · November 6, 2024

Thank you guys for doing what you do. Not to be all parasocial with it and all. But thank you

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Brode B · November 6, 2024

Needed this

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Anarcho Slowpoke · November 6, 2024

When you said Konrad, I immediately thought of what if Conrad von Hötzendorf led a crusade.

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A Transgender Superspy · November 6, 2024

"How did your army freeze to death in the desert, Konrad?"

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Alex Varrus · November 6, 2024

I concur with all the other comments here about needing a distraction

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Harles Barkley · November 6, 2024

We all needed this to distract us, thanks for timing the drop so well

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A Transgender Superspy · November 6, 2024

Nothing raises my spirits like hilarious military stupidity. My money is on "we forgot humans need water to live" for this one.

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LeobaL · November 6, 2024

Umm... spoilers sort of, don't forget family relationships too.

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Myka · November 6, 2024

This is a very, very appreciated break from ,[gestures at everything]

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Max W · November 6, 2024

Now more than ever I needed the zoo crew talking about some dumb crusades bullshit

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Austin Arminio · November 6, 2024

Needed something fun to listen to this morning. Thanks guys

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LonesomeTroll · November 6, 2024

I needed this episode today