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May 13, 2024

EARLY EPISODE: The Mogami, Japan's Most Unlucky Warship That Refused to Die

Check us out on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lionsledbydonkeyspodcast7424

Japan creates a death trap that becomes so unlucky it becomes known throughout the Imperial Japanese Navy during WWII

Sources:

David Lippman. Mogami: Japan's Luckless Cruiser

http://combinedfleet.com/ships/mogami

David Brown. Warship Losses of WWII

Paul Dull. The Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy

Comments (46)

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The *spooOOOoouwuOooOkily* woman-shaped Pharmacist · November 2, 2024

I love that this petty officer, suddenly promoted about a hundred times, hits the Naachi, runs up and apologizes, and that's probably the most explanation that has ever been given for the Mogami obliterating an friendly combatant.

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Randy · June 4, 2024

I transited through CDG a week ago for the first time. While on my second gate transfer bus, I was watching outside where a vehicle was pulling a train of 5 baggage crates when the last one just fell right off and got left behind on the road. So if you want to know how luggage can get left behind/broken...

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Elsie Hupp · June 3, 2024

Regarding superstition as an alternative to strong institutions: my understanding is that “Chinese Traditional Medicine” is as systematized as it is because Mao wanted to save money on healthcare. (Also hence why China still doesn’t have socialized healthcare.)

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Rob · June 1, 2024

If you have no shaving foam, lather up some soap, it ain't great, but it works better than nothing

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Noblese Oblahaj · May 22, 2024

Russian sailors getting taken out by guys with blowpipes in the blight town engine room as the entire ship's hp bar fills up with curse damage

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Noblese Oblahaj · May 22, 2024

Should have just sold this ship to the Dutch.

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Akshay Anand · May 22, 2024

Correction: The Mogami was built as a "light" cruiser with 6.1 inch guns, fifteen of them. The 10x 8-inch gun configuration was the treaty violating one since it would come into heavy cruiser classification, and the turrets were designed to be swapped out at short notice so at the outbreak of war the Mogami light cruisers could become heavy cruisers.

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ちょるる · May 20, 2024

Nah, you want a Japanese cruiser that refused to die, you gotta pick Aoba. Almost as bad luck attracting as Mogami, gets its shit rearranged every battle, somehow stayed afloat until July of 45.

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ChainsawSnuggling · May 18, 2024

Shippuku

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AthenAltena · May 17, 2024

Another notoriously superstitious group is EMS. Which crosses over with military superstitions a lot in my experience.

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AthenAltena · May 18, 2024

I also heard the engineering on the Mogami compared more than once to a crossover SUV. A lot of the IJN Cruisers were very top heavy and had issues with seaworthiness.

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Holland Tabb · May 16, 2024

as someone balls deep in the current emo scene, you won’t really get it if you are cis tbh

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Raehan Durlabhji · May 15, 2024

Agree with Joe, CDG is the absolute worst

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Eto · May 14, 2024

First time Brunei mention in LLBD history?

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Will · May 14, 2024

Koyo mentioned

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Anthony Carpeneti · May 14, 2024

You should do an episode on the Japanese destroyer Yukikaze (1939). That ship is the exact opposite of this one in that it was extremely lucky and was the only survivor of its class. Her last major action was escorting the Yamato in Operation Tengo.

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Rylan May · May 14, 2024

A metaphor for Japan in the early 20th century.

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Star maker 75 · May 14, 2024

SHIP TOO ANRGY TO DIE!

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I_like_planes_and_cities · May 14, 2024

I love these types of episodes (I love everything you do). Thanks Joe!

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Jonathan Bastow · May 13, 2024

I once went to an industrial show and had to look for my friends. Yes, I'm looking for two white guys with short black hair dressed all in black. I did eventually find them, but it took a bit.

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Olafo Waffle · May 13, 2024

78% of the crew survived, got damn

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Shawn Murphy · May 13, 2024

"Imperial Japanese fight club" new shirt design with an Elmer- Fudd-bowtied main turret pointed right back at itself

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Mac Colwill · May 13, 2024

I appreciate the music segment

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Markus D · May 13, 2024

Lol at Tom thinking the Titanic was in the Mariana Trench.

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ruin · May 13, 2024

Welding student here, my guess is that what happened is that in 1931 the Japanese Navy started using lower nickel steel in order to reduce cost, this would increase the risk of cracking along the heat affected zone after welding, especially without a change in weld procedure. I couldn't find much detail on it but it doesn't sound like they understood that the lower nickel alloys would require a different welding procedure. Another possibility is suggested by the fact that there was warping from excessive heat input during welding, this could put stress in the metal that could lead to cracking. Maybe both, who knows.

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Markus D · May 13, 2024

Is lower nickel steel lighter? Because the issue was weight, not cost.

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Karl Childers · May 13, 2024

The Piss Pickles is a great band name

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Markus D · May 13, 2024

I love me an episode on a specific vehicle or weapon! I couldn't think of how to phrase that better...

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Sam Head · May 13, 2024

15 mins in, Mogami had 15 6in guns when built, so it could be classified as a light cruiser, when the treaty was thrown out the windows they installed the 8in guns they had laying around so it’d be a Heavy Cruiser

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RuPaul Craig · May 13, 2024

“Doomed Naval Vessel” is possibly my favorite sub genre of this show

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Matt · May 15, 2024

That’s a close second to anything the Russians are involved in as far as I’m concerned.

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Noblese Oblahaj · May 13, 2024

The Omni-man meme but it's the Mogami looking at modern day American frigates and subs, pointing and screaming, "Look what they need to imitate a fraction of our power," as it crashes into another ship

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GabrielClyde · May 13, 2024

Mogami didnt weigh "tens of thousands" of tonnes nor was it a battleship. It was laid down as nominally a light cruiser with 6 inch guns, ready to be converted into a heavy cruiser when the time was right, and at the end weighed about 14000 tons (claimed by the Japanese to be 8500. treaty limits for cruisers were 10000 tonnes, which was a flat out lie). They didn't replace 8 inch guns with "battleship" guns - they fitted 6 inch guns in triple turrets and replaced them with 8 inch in dual turrets as 8 inch was the largest calibre allowed in a cruiser under the treaty and while they cheated like hell, not that much (they had been fitted "for not with" the 8 inchers)

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Markus D · May 13, 2024

He did say that it WASN'T a battleship (multiple times, even), but I'm not sure how he would get the weight wrong. Maybe he just decided to jump to the final weight when describing it?

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Matt · May 13, 2024

So the William D Porter but with a Japanese accent.

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Noblese Oblahaj · May 13, 2024

The Mogami was really good in Navy Field for a while

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MerusMetraton · May 13, 2024

Agreed, good against its own fellow ships but good nonetheless

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Former Scene Trash · May 13, 2024

FYI. Scary kids scaring kids put out new music a few years ago, but the vocalist died from an overdose in like 2014.

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Foam · May 13, 2024

Pro tip: if your old music isn’t doing it for you anymore and nothing new is hitting, there is only one answer: get very, VERY into James Brown. The funk years. Go to the Star Time compilation, scroll to Cold Sweat on disc 2, hit play and just keep going. Love Power Peace: Live in Paris. The Payback. Hell. The Funky People comps. Listen while you work, work out, drive, clean, everything. Just listen to James Brown for a fucking year and you’ll be hitting it on the one. This is the most correct opinion anyone has ever had.

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Angel-of-Deadlifts · May 13, 2024

This year I've been cursed with long 3-6 hour stays at Frankfurt airport. Even when I booked a ticket to avoid the stop in Frankfurt, my flight via Munich was cancelled, and the replacement Lufthansa gave me was via Frankfurt 😒

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B Reisfresser · May 25, 2024

Ah, Frankfurt, the first place that shattered the idealized conception of Germany as a rational and well-functioning place.

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Harley Davidson · May 13, 2024

KOYO IS FROM LONG ISLAND BABY. FUCK JERSEY FOREVER. KOYO FROM THE 51st STATE LONG ISLAND FOREVER

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ZombieDwarf · May 13, 2024

Today, we ask and answer the second most important nautical question; why boat *still* float?

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ChainsawSnuggling · May 13, 2024

HELL YEAH, STUPID BOATS!

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Trash Gordon · May 13, 2024

BOAT POST BOAT POST

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trashd · May 13, 2024

Love an episode about a big dumb boat!!