Radio War Nerd EP #414 — The Pro-Israel Propaganda Machine Exposed, feat. Lee Fang & Jack Poulson
Guests: Lee Fang & Jack Poulson
Recorded: December 14, 2023
The pro-Israel information war since October 7 has unleashed a wave of censorship and cancel culture unlike anything we've ever seen. Thanks to reporters Lee Fang & Jack Poulson, we get a rare look into how the infowar sausage is made—the players, the networks, the rhetorical strategies & goals. It's a raw look at the powerful using their power to discipline the rest of us.
Read Lee & Jack's article, "Inside The Pro-Israel Information War" here.
Subscribe to Lee Fang's substack here, and Jack Poulson's substack here.
Total time: 1:15:16
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Comments (27)
For people who are looking for evidence for Lee Fang and his straw man “reporting” on Black Lives Matter in the Bay Area California: https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcast/lee-fang-forced-to-apologise-for-reporting-on-blm/ In his defense I could only get through the first few minutes, but they were pretty awful. Same kind of talking points the red hats at work use before they start dropping “N” bombs. I agree with some of the other folks below, it doesn’t matter how good this person’s reporting is in relation to Israel, they should not have been invited.
There's something I'm having trouble understanding here. Has everyone just accepted the idea that censorship is a good idea, i.e. effective? Was all that Saint Dalton Trumbo, Demon Sen. McCarthy, "Wisdom of Crowds" stuff that we were taught in the 1980s just Cold War propaganda? I mean, wasn't it pretty much agreed that Soviet censorship gave rise to samizdat, that undermined the regime etc etc...?
Great episode, guys. Thanks.
this whole idea-complex that jews both in the diaspora and in israel are at imminent risk of a new genocide is so fucking weird to me. If anything if I want to be really *really* cynical about it I'd say that the feeling that there's a striving minority out there keeping to itself and nabbing the high status jobs has moved to *east asians*. For all intents and purposes secular jews in most of the west can just pass off as white, no?
Yup. Secular jew here and guess what? As far as anyone is concerned I'm a slightly pasty white guy with a camo hat
Listening to this episode this morning, driving down Interstate 294 getting to work. On the right side, "Bring all the hostages home" billboard expressing Israeli desires. On the left side a mile or two later, "They have no water, no food, no electricity. Ceasefire now!" Expressing pro Palestinian side. If the propaganda war is being fought on the expressway, then Israel is ahead but Palestine is gaining ground.
Decent episode derailed by headline/Twitter gawking and Fang voicing some of the most naive ideas ever heard on RWN
Similar stuff seems to be happening in Europe too but it's way more effective there. As German who isn't living in Germany anymore, I feel like everyone back home has been slowly getting insane since the Ukraine war started and now the entire centre-left has turned into completely lackeys of US-empire, becoming way more enthusiastic about it then Americans themselves.
I'm a Socialist in a group in Chicago, the USA. I met with a German guy who wanted to join. We had a long talk in which he criticized our pro-Palestine stance. I listened calmly. It became clear to me that there was no way he would stay with us, because he was 180 degrees from us on Palestine despite being a Marxist. It was strange.
I thought Gessen’s article was very perceptive, though I noticed that the online version had several corrections listed beneath it and I wondered if the uncorrected version went out in print. One thing that I wondered about was what evidence there was that Arendt was the author of the 1948 open letter. Not saying that she didn’t. Seems very plausible, but I‘ve always seen it referred to as the “Einstein letter.”
It seems the award wasn’t really cancelled but the venue was changed.
lol, “some [conservatives] are genuine, and want to have an open dialogue” @~50min. If lee believes this, he is an absolute dumbass. Which conservative? Mitt Romney? Those guys are all effectively democrats now
He's thinking of my one retired uncle (unlike my other retired uncles)
File under FWIW, but the one university president to grovel for forgiveness (who was fired or strongly encouraged to resign) was at University of Pennsylvania. UPenn was the school where Biden was hired for about $1 million for a no-work, no-show sinecure after his time as VP. The school is also home to the Biden Center. The MIT and Harvard presidents clearly must have had some high profile backers acting behind the scenes to protect their jobs. Quite a contrast.
The greatly overused accusation of "anti-semitism" is losing all of its punch. More importantly, I fear that was Israel is doing (with full US government support) will be bad for all Jews in the long run.
I genuinely worry about the devaluation of the category of anti-semitism that these folks are engaging in, like a boy who cried wolf effect, or worse yet calling into being much worse forms of anti-semitism in the future than the ones these folks imagine to be rampant right now.
I'm not worried about that. I mean, let's be honest here, the only reason anti-Semitism is a charge with any force behind it is because of the Israel lobby, who use it cynically as a weapon against their political opponents, not to protect Jews. The level of hatred, oppression, and violence directed against Jews isn't meaningfully affected one way or the other by Israeli propaganda.
Great episode. Would be cool to look into to getting Grant F. Smith on the show. He's done a ton of really thorough and mind-blowing research into the lobby and the history of AIPAC that I feel hasn't really hasn't permeated public consciousness as much as it should.
Why are y’all platforming a blatantly racist piece of shit like Fang? I should’ve known when you had exactly zero African guests on your Ethiopia episodes that yall were suspect, but I let it go. Seriously this breaks my heart because this is probably my favorite podcast. And no I’m not liberal offended, I’m a black guy that really likes this show and respects the fuck outta y’all! After calling out Taibbi how can you not see how racist Fang is? Just because he’s Asian? Cmon guys this is really upsetting.
What did he do that was racist?
Lee Fang is an interesting guest on this topic being as he is very pro cop, the same police who have actively trained with Israeli security. I think theyve shared tactics as well as propaganda excuses for violent behavior against a colinized group. Anyway, this is before I heard the episode, very open to hearing him out.
The episode was good but honestly fuck Fang.
Besides, it would be a better use to give the money to RWN.
There are billboards for rent in my town for $300 a month and I think it would be fun to write my opinion there too but then I remember how much trouble I've gotten in for work emails. What if I say some critical stuff and now the ADL is on my ass.
I listen a lot to Breaking Points by Krystal and Saager and they are regularly critical of Israel. I did message my the White House and my U.S Representative giving my opinion and got one of those all in supporting Israel responses.
I drove through LA last week and saw a pro-Isreal billboard, but that's the only thing I've seen. On social media it's all pro-Palestinian content. All of this shit is super toxic tbh and I've been avoiding it like the plague.
XTwitter is amazingly pro Palestinian (mixed unfortunately with antisemitic bullshit, from the top down). My Facebook otoh is garbage, everybody in the USA totally ignoring Palestine and going on with their movie-watching, cat-photo-posting lives. Maybe it’s just my friend group. But I think as long as nothing is said, that’s the pro Israel position by default, of course. :(
