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May 18, 2025

Radio War Nerd EP #523 — Drone Warfare in Ukraine (Year 3), feat. Samuel Bendett

Drone warfare expert Samuel Bendett joins us again to give an overview of the rapidly evolving changes in unmanned warfare in Ukraine...

Guest: Samuel Bendett, Researcher at The Center for Naval Analyses
Recorded: May 15, 2025

Drone warfare expert Samuel Bendett joins us again to give an overview of the rapidly evolving changes in unmanned warfare in Ukraine.

Further listening with Samuel Bendett:
*EP #398 - Drone Warfare in Ukraine (Pt. 2)
*EP #351 - Drone Warfare in Ukraine (Pt. 1)

*Russian drones on Red Square Victory Parade

*Ukrainian logistics UGV "Vislyuk" capable of transporting 200kg

*Russian kamikaze UGV with mine

*Ukrainian USV with Sidewinder sea-to-air missiles

*Russian fiber-optic drone with radio capability

*UGV transports wounded soldier from front near Soledar

*Løven chasing frisbee

Music interlude by Brendon Anderegg. Check out music from his group Mountains here

Total time: 58:51
Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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Comments (57)

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Mickey Keller · June 4, 2025

Hello all, new listener here. Anyone able to point me towards a good podcast ep of any podcast providing an overview of drone warfare, how it has changed war, what it means for the future of war etc?

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SB · May 24, 2025

Bendett is a MIC grifter that found a way to leverage his knowledge of Russian to sell his "analysis" which consists of regurgitating what he read in various Telegram channels, both Ukrainian and Russian. He has no apparent background to actually analyze anything or any unique sources of information. Just another Michael Koffman. That's the level of analysis in today's empire for you.

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PW · May 22, 2025

I found this recent interview with a Russian drone developer to be highly informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmfNUM2CbbM

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N P · May 22, 2025

Reminds me of a short story I read a long time ago where we are in a perpetual war without soldiers. Instead, drones duel in the sky far above and the effects are never felt down on the ground beyond the occasional explosion of color or sound from the clouds. The drones have grown so advanced that their offensive and defensive capabilities nullify one another leading to a seemingly eternal stalemate. I wish I could recall the name as I remember enjoying it (even though I'm sure I'm butchering the details).

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Eric · May 24, 2025

Very Gundam Wing.

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Benj · May 22, 2025

On the lighter side, I’ve been fucking with my gun but coworkers about how damned obsolete their fetish has become. Bunch of French officers on horseback, etc.

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Benj · May 22, 2025

*nut

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Doug Cartel · May 22, 2025

Oh also China's launching the Jiutian drone in a month which ought to be an interesting step up in the race

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Doug Cartel · May 22, 2025

Using older radars to find the F35 reminds me not only of the F117 debacle in Bosnia but also the unconfirmed(?) debate that the radar for the Soviet SA-2 was capable of seeing the F117 as well. Older tech maintaining it's relevance is a weird twist of the supposedly straightforward game of one-potato-two-potato that usually characterizes the arms race

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a clash of purple · May 22, 2025

Breaking news: Ames's cat Løven has merged with the tree to become an ambulatory cat/tree hybrid and is now stomping around terrorizing New York State. The State National Guard has already been routed, and President Trump is meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to discuss the possibility of launching a nuclear strike on New York. As a preemptive measure against future tree attacks, the White Wizard Saruman has been selected to lead a federal task force of wild men and orcs in attacking and subduing forests around the nation.

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Alex · May 21, 2025

Lol @ “Reno 9/11”

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Nicholas · May 21, 2025

What Samuel said about civilians manufacturing drones really struck me. I think someday soon we'll start seeing homemade drones proliferate among local militia groups and lone nuts / Luigi copycats. Why print a gun when you could print a kamakaze drone?

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McNuggie · May 21, 2025

Looks like the cat came down per Mark on Twitter, for those who are worried.

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Ander Pierce · May 21, 2025

🙏🏻

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IRIDYSCENZIA · May 21, 2025

Keep up the amazing work! 💎🚀

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Tyler Berglund · May 21, 2025

Couldn’t stop thinking about Marks kitty, major bummer. I hope he’s alright.

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Blown Magnet · May 21, 2025

What was the number of drones in the battlespace that the guest said ? I remember it was millions but I do t remember how many millions

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Benjamin Glover · May 21, 2025

Guest said both sides fielded a total of 3 million drones in 2024. Even if that's an over estimation, or only 1.5 mln on each side, that's still [opens a calculator] approximately 4000 drones every day on average, or 170 drones per hour. Or 2.8 drones per minute.

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Demented Avenger · May 20, 2025

Did Mark's cat come down?

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Abigail Butcher · May 20, 2025

Call a tree surgeon! They will get the kitty down.

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Benjamin Glover · May 20, 2025

It is wild to me that what you wrote back in the 2000s has all but come true

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Demented Avenger · May 20, 2025

I kept listening to this and my mind boggled at the horrifying possibilities of what those drones will do domestically. Because there's a 100% chance they will be deployed domestically to keep control of us.

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a clash of purple · May 20, 2025

I think policing is one area where drones won't make much difference. Gaza is lousy with drones and they haven't accomplished anything except terrorize people who were already pretty thoroughly terrorized. Though, you would think maybe they could send them down into the tunnels under Gaza to clear them with less risk of taking casualties, but I guess not?

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a clash of purple · May 19, 2025

what a disaster, this guest has no idea what he's talking about. I doubt if he's even a drone. Why can't we ever hear from the actual robots themselves? UAV and UGV perspectives are always erased by the humanarchy. Dolan and Ames need to be empowering drone voices on their podcast, not amplifying the hegemonic human-centric narrative.

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Steven Thomas · July 5, 2025

This post is dedicated to the brave Dronejahideen fighters of Ukraine

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Max · May 19, 2025

Regarding the near shootdowns of F16s and F35s, I can't shake the memory of the 10,000 fixed and rotary wing aircraft the US lost in Vietnam to the supposedly backwards Vietnamese. Seems like there is still a veneration of high technology driving us towards some stupid wasteful war

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a clash of purple · May 20, 2025

Yeah, we lost a lot of aircraft and men just so we could murder a bunch of innocent people who hadn't done anything to us, but if we *hadn't* then boomers would have one less thing to whine about. "We could have won in Vietnam if those damned liberal politicians let us blow up China so they couldn't give the Viet Cong anti-air weapons!" Boomers love making up stupid excuses for why they fail and lose at everything. It's their favorite pastime besides imagining outlandish situations where they get to yell at black people, or gruesomely kill criminals.

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Brian Brain · May 19, 2025

I don't know how this was missed but Mark clearly needs a (farm) drone with a cat box attached to it.

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Mark Ames · May 20, 2025

+1

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aaron Thomas · May 19, 2025

I was an emt and we got called to standby for a cat in tree rescue and the fire department called the electic company to come out with a cherry picker.

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Schaeffer Mallory · May 19, 2025

If you're still dealing with the cat emergency, I'd also recommend calling a tree removal service and asking if you could pay one of their folks to scale the tree, they usually have climbing gear that allows them to climb up without cherry pickers if need be

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Schaeffer Mallory · May 19, 2025

The other thing is to leave that more secure ladder up against the tree overnight - it'll give the cat an easier way down

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William · May 19, 2025

If the US military can’t pivot away from massively expensive weapons, they’re cooked. There’s been plenty of signs that the hegemony would be eclipsed in the next 30 years, but it’s the equivalent of taking decades to train an elite warrior vs giving a peasant a musket and 60min of instruction

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N · May 19, 2025

The US reliance on aircraft carriers is starting to look like the reliance of the feudal overlords on knights

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Jonathan Penn · May 19, 2025

C- and finally- I think we will soon see what I can best call "neutral buoyancy" attaack drones. A hydrogen ballon will be attached to the quad-copter, giving it neutral buoyancy, allowing for a much larger payload. Upwind and cross-wind capability will be limited but if launched in a favorable wind, the extra payload could be very useful.

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a clash of purple · May 19, 2025

Howcome they don't do that with manned aircraft? The idea of a combination hot-air balloon/helicopter seems fun.

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Jonathan Penn · May 19, 2025

B- Bi-static radar (the transmitter and receiver are separate) can detect and track stealth aircraft. All fighters have, in addition, a large IR signature that no amount of careful design and careful directing of the exhaust can eliminate. The US Sidewinder, a constantly updated IR missile is one of the most successful tools in the US arsenal. Manpads in sufficient numbers will eventually take down an F-35. Even were a swarm of drones merely to shatter the canopy, that would take the plane down. Manned fighter aircraft, like carriers, are becoming a mere boondoggle.

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a clash of purple · May 19, 2025

Do you think we'll one day see a type of drone that carries no payload, but simply duplicates the flocking behavior of birds, and which is deployed en masse in the probable flight path of enemy aircraft with the sole aim of bringing them down through the artificial equivalent of bird strikes?

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Jonathan Penn · May 19, 2025

A. Carriers- new US carriers use a type of electro-magnetic rail gun as their launching catapult. Older carriers use a steam-driven system. Even slightly misalignment renders the electro-mag catapult unuseable. The older ones are more tolerant of some damage. A cheap swarm of drones aimed only at the catapults would most likely succeed in hitting and damaging the system, rendering the carrier useless and very vulnerable to follow-up attacks. The era of big carriers and big fleets is surely over;

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Max · May 19, 2025

Believe EMALS was just found to be one of the worst performing development programs of the past calendar year. The Truman having to take an evasive maneuver at all is a complete indictment of the entire Carrier Strike Group and its layered defense system. Criminal to put 6,000 sailors and airmen in that kind of danger.

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William · May 19, 2025

Armor heads SEETHING rn

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ploob · May 19, 2025

Shipbuilders are pissed!

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Jonathan Penn · May 19, 2025

As the wars continue, one can only hope (probably in vain) that someone with authority in the US military is paying attention.

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Stephen Norrie · May 19, 2025

Good luck with the cat rescue. We had the same thing a few years ago, one of our cats climbed about 15 feet up a pretty thin tree. It did it twice and the first time I was able to rescue it with a ladder, but the second was during a storm, it was dark, and the tree was swaying side to side, and there was no way I was going up there. Cat came down after a few hours looking terrified and has never climbed a tree since.

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Dominic White · May 19, 2025

Have to admit I was almost in tears laughing imaging someone trying to coax a cat into entering a basket on a stick 30ft in the air. If that doesn’t work maybe a hot air balloon? One of those ornithopters Da Vinci designed? Poor Løven!

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Richard · May 19, 2025

Perhaps, a rope tied to a rock could be thrown over a nearby branch. Then the carrier with food could be lifted up to near the cat. Anyway, good luck.

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Greg · May 19, 2025

I have a friend who is an arborist in Minneapolis and he is constantly rescuing cats. He does it for free too because he is a big cat guy. Maybe reach out to some local mom and pop arborists in Rochester

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Harvey Marsalko · May 19, 2025

It feels awfully forced for Sam to even mention the "threat" that young men with technical drone experience pose to the Russian state. As with everything in this war, if it applies to Russia it applies 1000x more to Ukraine. Life will not be good for the elderly pensioners or whoever is left in that miserable country once the war ends and young men with technical knowledge in inflicting death are demobilized and sent back to their hometowns. Ukraine hardly had a functional state before the war, what makes us think they'll have one capable of controlling their mentally ill after the war?

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Harvey Marsalko · May 19, 2025

Not to say the Russia will come out of this with anything but a phyrric victory. But if we're gonna gloat over the suffering of our enemy, shouldn't we at least recognize the hundredfold suffering that our supposed ally with inevitably feel?

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CC · May 19, 2025

Please update us on your cat :((( when you get the chance. Great episode y’all, the subject does make one giddy with possibility.

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Sam from Boston · May 19, 2025

Hope the cats okay!

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Miko · May 19, 2025

The "American Bushido" philosophy of the elite SOF-centric military, as championed by Hegseth, is about the worst possible way to organize a military in the face of massed artillery, ISR, and limitless drones. As a result, have a horrible feeling that the Hegseth run DOD is going to ignore the lessons of the Ukr/RUS war completely and act like the UK generals ordering troops to charge machine gun nests in WW1 for the next big war.

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NYCM&AHole · May 19, 2025

And then servicemembers’ families will have to buy their own drones. Go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.

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NYCM&AHole · May 19, 2025

The whole Ukraine civilians buying supplies reminds me of the phase during operation Iraqi freedom where families bought their deployed soldiers body armor with their own money. “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.” -Rumsfeld

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CR · May 18, 2025

Autonomous cars are going to come out of this stupid fucking war.

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Wheeler · May 18, 2025

We could use an update on the cat

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William · May 19, 2025

Next episode: world of wars and world of cats