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March 12, 2025

Radio War Nerd EP #507 — Wagner Group, feat. John Lechner

Guest: John Lechner, writer & researcher

We're joined by John Lecher, author of the new book "Death Is Our Business: Russian Mercenaries and the New Era of Private Warfare" about the infamous Wagner Group and its co-founders, Yevgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin.

*Buy John's book "Death Is Our Business" (Bloomsbury Books), and John's "Beginner's Chechen" language course. Follow John on Twitter.

*Dmitry Utkin, co-founder of Wagner

Total time: 1:37:57
Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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Comments (36)

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Dissipatio · March 16, 2025

Always fun to hear the cat adventures. If you’ve got an outdoor cat you can mitigate cat on bird genocide by building kitty an enclosed “Catio”.

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Mark Ames · March 20, 2025

got one of them to love going in a cat backpack for walks, but having a hard time getting him to accept the harness/leash

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j · March 16, 2025

Thank you for the episode. I remember following the minutia of the separatist stuff way back on obscure blogs… totally forgot about the connection to the internet research agency too. What weird sh*t it has all been.

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Liquidated Damages · March 14, 2025

Michigan mentioned! I have to wonder how Hillsdale of all places became such an assembly line of ghouls. Is there any other small college like it?

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Dill Gherkin · March 14, 2025

When I hear Russian PMC I think it’s referring to the Professional Managerial Class.

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xnfec · March 14, 2025

Weren't the Mamluks Circassian?

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parker · March 14, 2025

No they we're a bunch of different Caucasian ethnicity similar to the janissaries except much more variety because they basically just grabbed any slave who was in good shape.

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Doug Cartel · March 13, 2025

"He lived his life like it was a movie" - basically a weeb who thinks video games are real life, but it's not considered childish because movies have been around for a century

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Doug Cartel · March 13, 2025

Я пума is neat to watch for 5 seconds but you gotta wonder when that cat is going to go apeshit

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Schaeffer Mallory · March 13, 2025

Fantastic episode! This dude rules!

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Kawaii Leonard · March 13, 2025

https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/paramotors-the-myanmar-juntas-latest-terror-weapon.html Check out this interview with a former Myanmar army officer regarding the use of paramotors in bombing resistance pockets (mostly killing civilians)

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J P 3 · March 13, 2025

Great episode. The movie treatment strikes me as more Cohen Brothers (Fargo in particular) than Shakespeare (closest being Titus Andronicus played properly -- as a comedy).

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Shfifty_five · March 13, 2025

"You Pinkman? Goodman sent me"

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Chubby Justin · March 13, 2025

he looks like you could snap a bat over his head and he'd turn around and look at you like you've done something wrong

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#1 Caleb Foster Fan · March 13, 2025

Thinking of your parrot, Mark.

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Mark Ames · March 20, 2025

thanks, she's getting her staples removed today, full recovery and now fully aware that felines ain't horses you ride

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Matt McCartney · March 12, 2025

Just a coupla industrious Uruk-hai trying to move up in the world.

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NYCM&AHole · March 13, 2025

LOOKS LIKE MEATS BACK ON THE MENU

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Stephen Norrie · March 12, 2025

The Uncle Fester appreciation society achieved a lot.

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CR · March 13, 2025

I was just thinking the same thing.

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Eli Burnes · March 12, 2025

I went crazy.

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Kevin Hickey · March 12, 2025

Five-star episode

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William · March 12, 2025

Donbass? Never heard of her. They friends of your?

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William · March 12, 2025

I think what’s critically underrated, is the need these global powers have, for soldiers with combat experience. Arguably it’s why the French are still somewhat relevant

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Jack Sylvia · March 12, 2025

Utkin really looks like an evil Doc Brown 😅

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IRIDYSCENZIA · March 12, 2025

You have a very unique and original vision 💖 nice work

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William · March 12, 2025

No one’s saying it, but there’s a bit of a visual similarity between John and the two founders of Wagner. Have they been seen in the same room together, ever?

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a clash of purple · March 12, 2025

I wonder how the people who accuse RWN of being Russia-stans would react if they knew that John Dolan was secretly Prigozhin and also Utkin at the same time, somehow. And also they're all just alter egos of Gary Brecher, who was the real person all along.

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Rick from the sandhills · March 12, 2025

Utkin's not scary looking he's just bald

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Jennifer Wiren · March 12, 2025

With Ukraine turning out to be such a quagmire Russia took its eye off the ball when it came time to back Assad. And I think Trump cares more about Syria than Ukraine, and I think if Zelensky is smart he'd play that connection up.

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William · March 12, 2025

Is Ukraine a quagmire for Russia though? Pre-surovikin, I definitely think so, but in the last six months seems like it’s more a quagmire for Ukraine

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Hans Anders · March 12, 2025

Utkin looks like a 60 year old who lost his mom at the mall

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a clash of purple · March 12, 2025

To me he looks like if one of the Harkonnen soldiers in the new Dune films grew some body hair.

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NYCM&AHole · March 12, 2025

Dude looks like he belongs in some German metal band like Rammstein.

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NYCM&AHole · March 12, 2025

Seriously disappointed that there was no play on the megadeth album “killing is my business, and business is good”

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Pay · March 12, 2025

Utkin jump scare