adressing specific criticisms/concerns
Hey everyone!
In the last post, there were some messages that I wanted to write a post about.
I've been seeing people mad/upset about the possibility of NTR content in Zombie's Retreat. I wanted to clarify some things.
Warning, this post does contain spoilers for the most recent update in ZR
If you don't know what NTR is, I won't explain it, but a quick google search should give you the idea!
Anyways, from the beginning, it's been hinted & later explained that women coming into contact with zombies become helplessly in love with them. The THREAT of NTR has always been there but canonically, the player prevents this from ever happening.
When I introduced Ann's storyline, I wanted to write about a tragic situation. Ann & L-001's relationship was originally a very close relationship similar to the main character & Leslie. Being betrayed by the villain of ZR2 is what caused them to be in their scenario.
However, there seems to be some disagreeing on what exactly is NTR. The MC can POTENTIALLY find Ann & L-001 being intimate (the Z-choice gives you the option to alter & avoid this scenario). At this point in the story, the MC has no clue who Ann even is. I don't define this as NTR. He has no previous romantic interest/relationship in her. If anything, Ann's dialogue later suggests that she's falling for the player. This is reverse NTR or Netori. However, L-001 doesn't really care either way about the two of them.
To people who are mad at 'sloppy-seconds'. That, I can't even counter. It's a hentai game. Not every character is a virgin damsel in distress. ZR2 likely won't be that way either. *shrugs*
Addressing L-001's threat to NTR your entire household. I want to emphasize that it is yet another THREAT. I do not plan on following through with it and while this seems obvious to myself, I can understand why players may feel uncertain. Don't worry. The main character would risk his life saving them from him. It won't happen.
I wanted L-001 to be a character that players HATED and I almost feel like I did too good of a job at that, haha. That scene felt right but I think some took the threat a little too seriously. Just wanted to clarify.
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Last thing. I want to remind players to be respectful to both myself but more importantly to others on here. There were some nasty comments and I flat out deleted those comments and banned those users. I'm not issuing warnings. If you're harassing others, I don't tolerate that. Keep it civil.
I hope this provides clarity that some may be wanting. I do not plan to dwell on this topic anymore. Thank you all so much for your support and the summer teasers will begin soon! <3
Comments (30)
Hello good afternoon, thank you very much for the game and I apologize for those people who insult you or criticize your project, well I hope you continue with the game. You see, I have a problem with the game, it installs me and everything, but at the moment of a "happy" scene, the game closes, I played without accessing those scenes and the game is very good. but I got to a point where a happy scene was necessary and well the game closed. I clarify that everything else in the game if it works only the scenes do not load me and it closes. What type of Android device should I use or what requirements should the smartphone have to avoid this problem. I say goodbye, thank you very much for the game and sorry for the inconvenience.
NTR up up up!!!
It would be nice if there is a game over r8pe, since you're bringing them out to gather supplies or for a scene. And the setting is about horny zombie kids anyways.
Yes, L only gave a threat and there doesn't need to be a scene. Perhaps he will sneakily appear in the house and leave making the household (and player) scared that its not safe and we need to build something. For now an empty threat from an intimidating character is fine as is
Siren dont worry about those haters. Their issues are literally ridiculous. What they expect a game of virgins? lmao just make it a choise as you have Z-choice and problem solved.
Please stop giving Siren Hate. If the characters never knew each other how can it be NTR? If anything it's just some poor cow getting plowed by the dead like the many other females who can been mentioned to have fallen prey. If the female at hand have feelings for said zom-zom than isn't the MC the one taking her away from him?
NTR..... sure but let us chosse. Non-NTR only one, NTR many many chosse and many many scense. It would be better then that but dont let us sad to much because sometime my heart cant accpet that.
All charter x-ray + impregnation. Please
I just want to make a minor comment regarding NTR and netori since I don't see the distinction often enough. Netori is not reverse-NTR, as reverse-NTR is where the roles of the male and female are as implied reverse. Netori is where the main viewpoint, primarily protagonist, seduces a woman or women from another character. Just wanted to note this since it gets confusing since sites don't even tag properly sometimes.
Thanks for clarifying. Your definition of Netori is what I meant fortunately!
You do good work Siren. Your games are enjoyable and I also appreciate your writing and the stories you are telling. I've never had any issue with anything you've done in your games. I only wish the MC could get more of the girls drunk (aka ANAL).
if that's where this game is going then, all I gotta say is thanks for the warning
What warning did I give for 'where the game is going'? You've been leaving negative comments on my posts for a while now. At this point I don't even know why you are upset with me lol
Why..... why not ntr....
Just not interested in it
I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people that are so adamantly against the recent update. MC is in a post-apocalyptic harem where the zombies buy women a one way ticket to the bone zone. Our dear park ranger is a perfect example, and it ended up being one my favorite scenes because it incorporated a major part of the story line that is mentioned multiple times by Leslie, Caroline, and Rachel. It's canon, and would make sense to be added as a "bad end". But the BIGGEST takeaway is that NOBODY SHOULD GIVE SIREN GRIEF ABOUT HOW THE GAME PROGRESSES. Don't make a top tier independent Creator dread logging hours in because they don't want the public to harass them for their product not tailoring to YOUR VERY SPECIFIC KINKS AND EGO. It's not fair to Siren, and only drives the stress up for making this 10/10 product he's turned out for us.
Appreciate it. I get people being passionate about where these games go but I don't think they realize their toxicity is what drives most devs away at some point. I have no plans on leaving, though. ;)
If L-001 even try to cuck my MC I will make my MC fuck him in the ass repeatedly until he ahegao
While I don't wanna say "I could care less about the character's moral choices and the outcomes they lead to", as that would be a disservice to the world you've crafted, this whole "issue" of NTR/SS really takes backseat to H-scenes for me and this latest update really delivered both in the scenario setup and art. That being said, you and your team have done a great job with the game Siren and good on ya for adding an option for crybabies.
In this kind of game NTR would only really bother me if it was unavoidable. It would be neat if there was a scene attached to failure to up the stakes and put an extra driver in to performing well, and yet to have people avoid it if they truly want to. Z-Choice is the way to go.
At first i was pissed because of the sloppy seconds, i never care about a character being virgin, what i care is about having sex and using the other "thing" nut as a lube (that is not my cup of tea), but i must said, after the z-choice, i have absolute nothing to said about, you gave us the choice, and that is what always make a game great. And you are complete right about him being hated by all, there is only one porn game that i wish that some character of that game die in a painful death, L-001 is sure the second one.
What is the first one?
I agree, what was said made him unlikable and a threat. I’ll admit I thought it was ‘weird’ for him to threaten the MC like that, like there was something I missed, but I didn’t see that and think we were dipping into Netorare territory or anything
His motivations & such will be much more clear in ZR2 where he'll be expanded upon!
I had figured the whole impregnation deal-io would prevent L-001 from taking anyone away. Seeing as the MC's bloodline is now in them etc/ whatever.
Are you going to do a follow-up to zombie's retreat?
Yup, starting ZR2 immediately after ZR1 is finished
As far as the threat of Netorare goes, I think it would be reasonable to right such a scene as a Bad End, depending on what kind of conflict you intend between the MC and the bad guy. Like some kind of boss fight, where if you lose there’s an NTR scene where the villain makes good on his threat. Not strictly necessary, but also not unreasonable or forced.
Nah there won't be any visual bad endings or anything like that. When you lose, it's up to your imagination as to what happens but it won't be materialized ;P
i kinda picked up that the mc would do anything to protect everyone from the threat that L-001 made. either way i still enjoy the gaem, keep doing what you are doing