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A bold foray into shitty waters indeed! The propaganda angle is a good one because it’s everywhere. A lot of people need to zip the mouth and open their ears in this perilous time. Then they might hear the children crying and do something.

Rushing in where angels...etc. The 'attack all criticism' unit has the Mayor of Wollongong in the cross hairs because he dared speak on behalf of the Palestinians. Batten down the hatches Giordano...triple check your cyber security. Respect to you and the team.

... maybe instead of 'enshittenment' try 'Scat'opocene? (ya know, like Anthropocene) Tip of the hat for reducing this geo-political shitshow into a message that should resonate with anyone who has a heartbeat.

Why cant all religions cough up their trillions they have in ching ching and save this planet? Pope Francis wrote his little paper Laudato Si telling governments to fix the mess. Why cant he put his hand in his endless supply of cash to lead by example? Maybe one day you could do a HGA on shaming all religions to practice what they preach?

Dont forget to mention religion also is a major cause of historical and recent wars. Religion is the 2nd biggest killer of humans in history.

Well done. Of course you cannot mention all the enshitters, including Iran and USA and let's not forget the master imperial enshitters, the English. This is another fine mess they bequeathed. Trying to cover all the angles would prevent any civilized person from commenting. I think you have masterfully made your point. I hope, but do not expect, that your words will have a positive impact on at least one person who can make a difference.

I've been a supporter of this channel for some time and found some of this just too simplistic but let's be blunt - there's just too many hands in this mess to keep it simple. 1) OK. Loved start and finish. "Enshittenment" is a clunky term but fits the channel as well as "where will humanity shit next" (Spoiler, everywhere already, just not been reported). 2) "Humanity cheers on", people on both sides ARE cheering. But people involved on both sides also want restraint. "Cheers" is more accurate than "watches" but I'm not a writer. 3) So true that people need to learn to hold multiple truths in their head, it's part of our maturing from children to adults, but when things turn emotional it's not so easy. 4) I disagree with the simplification of wanting people to stop killing each other (along with civilians). That's not going to happen, there or elsewhere. But how do you simplify all the different factions following different agendas most of whom want groups fighting so they can get on with their own matters? You're trying to get people to think and hopefully learn more and that's part of why I support this channel. Take care and look forward to the final version, I'm sure I'll grit my teeth at some point but... That's a me problem, I'm struggling to hold multiple truths in my head here too.

This is a minefield. When I was a day from being activated to go to Gulf War One (1991) when the war was knocked off, our unit had made peace with the fact that we were going to Kuwait to make the world safe for Exxon. While I applaud calling attention to the heinous killing of children, I believe there is an opening here to talk more broadly about how this is entwined with the destruction of our environment and the way the sale of oil has financed war, terrorism and the killing of children. Back during our debates about making the world safe for Exxon many of us concluded that allowing oil to stay above $150 barrel would have allowed solar, wind, etc, power to have killed the need for oil. Instead the House of Bush and the House of Saud have financed more pain and suffering than I could ever have imagined.

Well done. And bravo for taking on such a sensitive topic.

I think you've done a great job with an extremely emotive subject.

Hey, Giordano, I still fuckin' love you, man. It's clear from years of your work that you're a sensitive, thoughtful, caring person with a doggedness to always do your best. It's clear from this audio that you felt something calling you to use what's at your disposal to once again address human suffering and the callousness that allows it to continue through space and time. No doubt you anticipated certain criticisms. That you're feeling whatever you do wont' be enough, as every peace-wager is experiencing right now, and as some here have suggested. I know a church that always flies a banner reading, "we pray for peace for all", which was uncontroversial until the 7th of October. Now they receive threats because that banner means they support one team or another, or don't understand the subtleties, or are overflowing with hate. This episode is your peace banner. It's not simplistic. It poses a simple question through the medium available to you: "what would happen if the world stopped killing people?" Maybe you don't need anyone to tell you this, but you're not alone. You're a beautiful human being, and I'm glad you exist. Be good to yourself. Remember that foibles are allowed. May peace embraces you and yours around every corner, and may you find the grace-filled strength to embrace it in return.

It takes enormous courage to stand up and say anything about the middle east and we all know that theJuicemedia is courageous. Have you simplified things? Yes. Overly? Not sure I’m a good judge of that as I do not live in that region or practice any of the three major religions or any of politics of that region – and the conflict there has been going on for thousands of years if I am remembering history correctly. I personally can’t see the strategy behind what happened or is going on. What is the end game? Who would benefit from the killing of people, the outrageous and barbarous killing of children and other innocents (no matter what their nationality, ethnic background, belief systems, etc.)? Who benefits from keeping a war alive? (Wars – particularly nationalistic ones on either or both sides – are great ways to stay in power or make other social/legal/political/religious changes while people are so riled up that they are only looking to one path forward.) As others have said, you stuck your foot into this one and I’m sort of glad you did take the risk. You raise a fundamental point: each side feels justified to kill, can’t see/understand/remember the other side’s justification and each does so in its own way with significant collateral damage. In the end, what is it over? Revenge? Righting a wrong? (Not sure how you right a wrong with another wrong.) A way of life? Hectares of desert nobody else would want? Control? A sense of ephemeral justice? A religion? Personal “wealth”? The bigger international political scene? A distractive move? (This middle east situation has caused the Ukraine situation to slip from top headlines and even pushed Trump, the wannabe presidential felon, below the fold, while also pushing the inept GOP in the US into really appearing as the fragmented has-been yet extremely dangerous wounded animal that it is as it clings to past successes, etc.) Perhaps to push China’s claims on the South China sea, or its interest Taiwan so far below the fold that it can now increase its aggressive stance with countries such as the Philippines? Or, being extremely cynical for a moment, how about simple capitalism: Increasing the wealth of the world’s military industrial complexes? And that’s not even close to a full list of those who could or do benefit from this conflict (or any similar conflict). Have we really made no progress as a civilization that we must repeat the processes of the past without learning from them? Why do we sustain people in power who obviously should be the last people given such power (and pick your country – my question is not limited to the middle east)? Or allow the systems that sustain such incompetents to be themselves sustained? That’s the real, to use one of your words, shitfuckery causing the slide into the shit for the rest of us. So, please continue to point out the shitfuckery – and that will often take real courage in addition to conviction. People cannot change what they cannot see …

Unlike so many whose feathers have been ruffled, I think it's an honest ad that calls a spade and shovel… and boy, do some commenters shovel it on thick. What kills me is that, after 4,000 years, such conflicts still stem from the argument over who received the divine "birthright" to that land: Jacob or Esau. Give it UP, earthlings. Isn't it time we abandoned the fairy tales and recognized that we are all Homo sapiens on a planet that we must share?

Giordano, Welcome to the Middle East. You've indeed stumbled into one of the most painful minefields you could choose to spend time in. Good luck with that. As a resident of this troubled neighborhood, who's been directly affected by the current violent cycle I'd say the following: 1. While we could easily debate the weight you attribute to various sides to this conflict and to each and every aspect of it (history, land rights, legality, humanity, etc.) - what's the point? None of that will bring an end to the violence. Unfortunately, nor will "an immediate ceasefire" do the job, though I solute the intent of your call. It will only set us up for another cycle sooner rather than later. Would recommend imagining a grander vision for the region, if you can. 2. Simplistic? Sure the views you present are simplistic. How could they not be? For example, have you never mentioned Iran, not even a neighbor of Israel's neighbors, and yet heavily involved in militarising the conflict. Could there be other underlying causes beyond occupation that are at the root of this conflict (religious, cultural, political, historic, to name just a few)? Of course there are and I'll be happy to debate their significance with you over a good beer. But overall, you're navigating the minefield reasonably well. In summary, unlike Greta Thunberg's latest displays of care for some in the region, your views seem to be better informed. Enough to serve as a basis for discussion, debate and hopefully - progress. That to me provides your efforts legitimacy, even if I don't agree with some of the views you hold and even if the medium is by definition "simplistic". But be warned: last time Australians ventured into this region, post WW2, you found yourselves most welcome by some of the region's residents, and yet, that didn't do much towards prolonging the British Mandate or peace in the region. So welcome back and good luck :-)

The experts seem to have weighed in on this. As a non-expert and someone not affiliated with either side in this conflict, I can simply applaud any effort to help us remember that killing children and other civilians is seriously fucked. Carry on with the good fight, Giordano!

Without condoning the Hamas attack or "9/11" both events are understandable. Abuse people enough and they will respond as they see fit...

Except for the clunky 'enshittenment' which I would change, the piece is quite balanced and expresses the almost 100 year Nakba/Zionist colonization/occupation context fairly --- unlike the major western politicians and legacy media who are a deaf/dumb/ and blind cheering gallery for Israel's mass murder of Gaza & West Bank Palestinians. You might find interesting the views of an orthodox rabbi speaking in Montreal yesterday --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8queaGlpm8A

Hoo boy. I... have to wonder why you want to stick your head in this lion's jaws. Your other ads have drawn attention to things that are not well-covered, and promoted causes of people who don't have access to powerful media. I think of the recent Canada ad in particular. This does neither. In response to other comments you asked about inaccuracies. First, talking about the world cheering on is inaccurate. Everywhere from the UN to the Biden administration we see important figures calling for restraint or a cease fire. Second, where you talk about the context of Hamas's attacks you (accurately in my view) refer to an occupation, but Gaza is not occupied territory. Hamas has indeed claimed that its attacks are in reprisal for violence Israel carried out in the West Bank and if you want to support that claim, be clear about it. Doing so without seeming to justify the terrorism is going to be a stretch, particularly as dead terrorists have been found to be carrying documents that show this invasion was literal years in the planning. There's "simplify" and there's "obscuring the truth by leaving out important context" and I think you're falling far too much into the latter. I think the point is not factual inaccuracy. It's that "this isn't helping and it's wildly ill-timed." You're free to speak your minds, of course, and to make whatever media you want about whatever topics you think need covering. But I don't think this does anything valuable and is just going to piss people off.

Giordano, unfortunately what you present here is overly simplistic. Whilst no one wants the murder of any innocent, there is much more going on than this. As one of your supporters said "why doesn't Hamas simply surrender". It's not a bad point but terrorists don't surrender. Terrorists have no one's interest at heart other than their own, in this case jihadist, agenda and it makes no difference to them whethere they murder Jews or Gazans. Over 450 rockets (mis)fired by Hamas have landed on their own people, yet they don't care. Israel also have not occupied Gaza since 2007 when Hamas took over the rule of Gaza and have run it ever since under martial law. I don't want to get into the history of the area, which is complex and often not understood or known, I'm simply referring to a terrorist organisation attacking a people (Jews) because it is part of the their Charter that these people and the country within which they live, must be wiped off the face of the earth.

Did anyone notice Dicky Marles just slipped Australian troops under Hamas’ Persian rug ? Please No ! Not another farrago following the US into a foreign war !

If the internet, video and social media had existed in the 1800s in America - this is basically what we would have seen. We would have seen the mainstream media bombarding us with messaging to convince us that the native American tribes are terrorists and that it's racist against the whites to oppose the European settlers colonising the land. If you can't understand that this is the root of the whole thing, and that yes, colonialism is bad, you maybe should swap places with someone in Gaza to experience some empathy.

Thank you. Yes take Hamas to task but free Palestine from Zionist genocide.

I have been a Patreon of thejuicemedia for over two years, but am ending my support today. This ad is not honest - it is reductive, ignores the complexity of the laws of war per the Geneva conventions, and the suddenly-percieved existential threat to Israel. Finding balanced research to create an informative ad is not difficult - here is an article to start you off: https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-the-idfs-ongoing-gaza-operation-complying-with-the-laws-of-war/ Viewers might also not understand that Hamas is completely indiscriminate in its attacks - killing and mutilating Arab, Thai and Bedouin women and children along with Jewish Israelis, quite aside from using their own civilians as slave labour and human shields. They are in many ways worse than ISIS or the Nazis - who didn't abuse their own followers like Hamas does - and must face the same fate. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769851 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/why-israeli-officials-screened-footage-hamas-attack/675735/ https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/mourning-with-our-bedouin-blood-brothers/ If you want to actually help, encourage the international community to call for Hamas' surrender - which would actually end the bloodshed - not for a ceasefire that would guarantee an indefinite continuation of maiming and slaughter on both 'sides' and ongoing oppression of Palestinians by their Hamas leaders: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-the-left-can-end-the-gaza-war/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/30/palestine-impunity-arbitrary-arrests-torture

Short and to the point. And maybe a format that can be used regularly if needed. DiEM25 just released a very good Euro-centric analysis on the latest conflict, worth a watch\listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svvk5IDUlXE

The video is well put for a fucked situation that mostly fucks over innocent people. Most Australians don't know what to think about this issue and, who knows, they might even all agree that both sides should give peace a chance.

There's a program on German telly showing the news from 20 years ago. The other day one comedian said if current affairs make you sad, why not watch the news from 20 years ago and then they showed a clip of the Gaza conflict exactly 20 years ago. 😫

Sadly, the news reporting and history education of the region is negligible in this country. We only get, at best, one side, and then only when something like the current mess gets started. After that, it's back to blissful ignorance.