GEOCENTRISM, HELIOCENTRISM. COPERNICUS, GALILEO. COUNTER REFORMATION
This is taken from the 1611 Fellowship, October 1, 2023. We begin with the above topic; and, then we move into our Bible reading and study from 1 Peter.
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I have A Geocentricity Primer by Gerardus D Bouw! I will proceed to read it.
It's well worth reading.
I'm not sure you will find anything on those subjects. And, if the early church "fathers" wrote anything, it has probably not been translated into English. I've personally never seen anything. Here's an excerpt from my commentary on 1 Cor. 12:7-11. V. 7 “7 But the manifestation of the spirit, is giuen to euery man to profit withall.” The spirit manifests in many ways, from the beginning of creation through to the redemption of man. Genesis 1:1 is scripture’s first revelation of the Spirit of God; it reads, “…and the Spirit of God moued vpon the face of the waters.” No part of creation is untouched by the Spirit of God. In the life a believer, the Spirit of God manifests in unusual ways, equipping each believer for service; some in more obvious ways than others. Still, the equipping and gifting of Saints is for the benefit of all believers. When Paul uses the word “profit,” he does not mean money or material gain, rather spiritual growth. Vs. 8 - 10 “8 For to one is giuen by the spirit, the word of wisedome, to another the word of knowledge, by the same spirit. 9 To another faith, by the same spirit: to another the gifts of healing, by the same spirit: 10 To another the working of miracles, to another prophecie, to another discerning of spirits, to another diuers kindes of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.” Paul provides some examples of “diuersity of operations,” (v.6) It is a general list or overview of gifts of the spirit. They may include the following divine empowerments meant for the edification of the church and spreading the Gospel. Wisdom: discernment, prudence Knowledge: knowing things beyond the pale of most people’s understanding, difficult doctrines, teaching others Faith: a boldness of spirit, able to declare God’s word with determination, edifying and encouraging others Healing: laying on of hands for healing, praying Miracles: overriding principles of nature Prophecy: the testimony of Jesus Christ, foretelling things to come Discerning spirits: knowing the true meaning of things, discerning the intent of persons, knowing that which comes from God and that which comes from the devil Tongues: Ability to learn languages for the purpose of spreading the Gospel, speaking in heavenly languages Interpretation of tongues: ability to interpret heavenly languages V. 11 “11 But all these worketh that one and the selfe same spirit, diuiding to euery man seuerally as he will.” All gifts come from God; they are of one spirit, though they are given in part or in whole to various persons in the body of Christ. They are meant for the glory of God; that they contribute to the unity of the body of Christ, ever-declaring Christ’s working in and through the church and in the daily lives of believers. Furthermore, these same gifts may provide the testimony of Christ to unbelievers; that they would see the working of God and believe. No person is gifted by God for their own glory, nor are they gifted for personal advantage or profit.
Yes thank you. Appreciated.
Off the top of my head, I would start with Matthew 10.
Yes. That seems clear. I had a look at the commentary and Paul speaks of this in 1 Corinthians chapter 12. The two spiritual gifts of healing and miracles also were among the early church besides apostles? (Please correct me if I am wrong) It would be interesting to see what the early church taught about this chapter. It has always troubled me how "they" manufacture miracles to further their financial portfolio and book sales etc and how such gifts really worked and were taught to further the gospel not for sensationalism. Are there early church authors that we can go to as well.
Reg with the specific gifts being for the Apostles can you give me those verses as I was beaten around the head with that one since I was 18. I went to so many miracle/healing crusades etc. Really appreciate it. Could be a good podcast.
It's hard for any honest person to deny the plainness of scripture. It clearly says the sun moves, it has a circuit. Yet, gullible Christians would rather believe some guy in a white coat rather than the word of God. The stupidity is baffling!
We have been conditioned to do so and the Jesuit pastors teach it. We have been conditioned to believe the pastors. Perfect system (for them)
This whole topic is what completely opened my eyes to God's power and the fact that Jesus IS come in the flesh. No "scientist" out there can explain what the sun is actually doing on a ball earth or a flat earth. The fact that it makes 260-270 degree rising and setting curves is mind boggling. Also it is seen in a different perspective to other locations at the same time. Pretty easy to discredit "space" travel and all that nonsense. The earth does not have the measurable curve that we are told which is easily measured and seen. There is a major engineering/physics flaw with heliocentrism. It is called gravity. God bless you guys for seeing the whole truth!
One more point (. . that you touched upon Reg). We must have faith in this area because it is obvious that the beast system will lie to us about these things to exert control over us. Why is it obvious? Because the official position of ALL nations in the world that we live in a SUN-centered system. Heliocentrism. You touched on all the verses which prove this wrong. Therefore, we KNOW heliocentrism is untrue . . and merely is another form of pagan sun worship. We live in a God-centered system that is being masked from our physical senses by Satan. Flat vs Round is not the issue . . Science vs Bible is not the issue. The Bible IS science. The issue is Faith vs Deception.
Well said, Roy. Indeed, heliocentrism fits perfectly with sun worship, making the sun the center of all things. I'm greatly disturbed that the churches by and large, have bought into the heliocentric lie. Do they not know that it was engineered during the counter reformation to destroy the credibility of the Bible?
Glad you chose this topic. Anyone who does extensive study in this area can come to understand the Greek and Babylonian roots of the "Universe" theory of moving planets, a spinning ball earth, and a sun at the center. Even Atomic theory comes from the same poisoned well. Plato Socrates Democritus Pythagorus (worshipped mathematics) and dozens of other Greek Philosophers argued over the particulars of these issues for centuries. Galileo was as compromised and sketchy a character as you can imagine. Many many Jesuit connections/controllers. Copernicus was trained in Canon Law of Rome. He was trained in classical philosophy (Greek religion . . think Pythagoras), mathematics, diplomat and economist. He was NOT a known astronomer until later in his life. He was raised and educated by his uncle who was a devoted Bishop of Rome.
My pleasure.
Thank You Reg . .