BAROQUE THOUGHT & THE 1611 AKJB

Hi Ellen, Roman Catholics really don't know much about the Bible. They are mostly trained in traditions, catechisms and canon law. Furthermore, King James and the 1611 Bible were formally cursed by the RCC. So her response doesn't surprise me.

Reg, yes! the deeper we go, the richer the text, the revealing of the Spirit. ... the deepe things of God. I love the 1611 for these reasons! searching the scriptures and finding TREASURES. Rich treasures. Side note: I gave my very Catholic sister a 1611 and she said it didn't have her favorite book in there (Psalms) - it's because she didn't want to read it because it was too difficult and prefers to read her versions which she could not even identify until I asked her - "what ARE you reading?" - she said at first KJV which I found surprising... she later came back and said oh I guess it's the NASB and another one that I like to read which she didn't identify. Who knows what that was. My point being is that she found an excuse not to read the 1611 because she could not find Psalms since it was Pfalmes. I said your favorite book is there. I pray she gets the conviction to read it. But right now it's not easy or interesting to her.

Hi Thomas, Excellent characterization and understanding of the Protestant "awakening" (if I can use the term) during the Baroque period, and its relevance to today's general mind set.

Hi Roy, It's not necessarily a bad idea to keep certain books around for reference, despite the fact that they may be corrupt and/or misleading. Water finds its own level, and people will eventually settle where they are meant (sad but true). So, try as we might to protect them from the Jesuits and others, we really can't. Only the true power and wisdom of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can lead a person to all truth.

(Off topic) So . . I was cleaning up this week and found a number of old books. Several corrupt bibles. I could throw them away . . and still might . . but for now . . I have taken a Black Sharpie and wrote "Corrupt Bible . . Compare with 1611 AKJV truth" on the front page of each. I am thinking about writing the same kinds of things on old literary and philosophy books I have lying around. Maybe something like "Jesuit Created" or something else. Just to make sure that if someone someday picks them up . . they will know there is a universal truthful alternative to the fiction written in these books.

It’s interesting to me how much the Renaissance led to the developments of this era. It was a time of going beyond the dogmatic pronouncements of the institutional church, which used books composed of collections of dogmatic sentences, and going back to a holistic understanding of the original sources, particularly when it came to Greek philosophy, the church fathers, and especially the Bible. This meant that the human being was once again tasked with experiencing the world anew and figuring out an encounter with the structures of reality and the Truth with an emphasis on real understanding instead of simple acceptance of dogma. It placed the responsibility of the human being on understanding the intent and context in which an author was writing, so that real interaction with the material could take place. This provided fertile ground for someone like Bach, whose works seem to me to represent an aesthetic attempt to portray our encounter with reality and Truth with all of the intellectual and emotional aspects of the encounter maintained. At that point in history, it is my impression that the general population was still quite sensitive to approaching such matters, and we had nowhere near the kind of sense of irony and cynicism that pervades our current impression of the world within us and around us. There is a sense in which our even greater fallenness has cauterized our deep wounds of sin. It is very much the case that our current world is very much dominated by the depravity of Sodom and Gomorrah as well as the arrogant self-righteousness of the Jews that opposed Jesus Christ. Much of the mainstream political activism and pronouncements of mainstream politicians are replete with such self-righteousness, thinking that the world they want to build is so much better than the one that we knew for such a long time. We see how controlled the discourse is in America, with mainstream commentators emphasizing petty ideological differences instead of recognizing how rotten our society is and how much leaders and corrupt donors in both mainstream political camps have driven us to such a dysfunctional point. In Europe we see governments treating their native populations with disdain and a lack of consideration that really seems to parody a lot of the dystopias in fiction. This is accompanied by a sense of self-righteousness on the part of mainstream political activists and government officials that seems to lead them to hate their neighbor rather than love him. The original location of the 1611, England, was once a country that sung about how much they loved God and his servant-monarchs on earth, and now that they have rejected God so thoroughly, they are being judged by what Jesus said about “to those much is given, much is required.” It reminds me of Samuel’s warning to Israel, saying that a nation that wants earthly rulers instead of God will ultimately be abused and oppressed. God have mercy on all sinners.

it prolly not baroque, but here are some classical music favs that got floating around: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpjbJ0xc1ICyYyNBFnjBk2B3xX0s4L6Pb for selection i only ask, is it big enuff. as mostly use to gain/burnoff energy,of the nonphysical kind.

Hi Elsie, the word as we know and spell it is "ivory."

Hi Roy, It is right to admire and reward excellence, but folly when one thinks more of themself than they ought because of it.

To John's point . . . and in biblical terms . . .we can certainly look back and "marvel" at the magnificance of the Baroque Era. And I don't know the motivation of the artisans thinkers musicians, etc who populated that era. Each person's relationship or lack of relationship with Jesus Christ is between that person and Our Lord But we can commend the hard work and dedication it took to develop the skill across so many disciplines that was on display during that era. The Bible values skill . . hard work . .. learning . . attentiveness . . patience . . attention to detail . . craftsmanship . . all of which seemed to have been in abundance in the Baroque. To the extent that bred pride or loftiness in those individuals . . or created worldly "idols' . . then we know that is sin which exists in all eras. But we can appreciate hard work and skilled work.

1611 legit easier to read than NIV, but nobody believes me. maybe i just read weird 💭 something about structure or pace [1611] of it (not "difficult words" as some may immediately point out - irrelevant). altho the word *yuorie* had me staring at ceiling for many days.

Modern Bible translators have stigmatized the 1611 AKJB, as though it is some kind of inferior literary work. Yet, it is their ignorance that is apparent. They fail to ask the question, why did God prepare/choose a certain period in time and the English language to translate his word into a language that he deemed worthy and sufficient to convey the deeper things of the Spirit? ...and, a language that would become the trade language of the world, as it is today.

True history is precious, especially as it applies to The Holy Bible 1611!