CHURCH HISTORY PART 3
John Doerr continues with our study of church history, emphasizing the Protestant break away from Rome and reasons for it. Watch for Part 4 coming next week. And, that will be the conclusion of our study. Enjoy!
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Hi Dylan, I appreciate your feed-back on the matter. I too woke up one day to the reality of what church had become. I realized I was lying to myself because I wanted to fit in. It had become a social club, and the pastors didn't seem concerned, as long as the money kept rolling in and they felt important. Jesus said, "narrow is the way...fewe there be that finde it."
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Reg, about the ending statements about persecution. Already I see it. Even my parents act strange towards me and my family because we will not go to their church. I have even tried to discuss scripture with their pastor and it was like deer in the headlights. After that and some funerals, I had heard enough from that dude! He just plays to their love of sports, money, and politics like most institutional leaders. My mom kind of knows, but she won't say anything. I have seen it with others that try to get us to go to their churches as well. It is like all these people are driven to take the Bible away from believers and lead them to church! BTW trying to get caught up on all the messages and have been very busy with family and work! Bless everyone for keeping this up!
Hi Elsie, The 1611 AKJB tends to lead to a better understanding of the Reformation, and as the Holy Spirit works through it, we begin to see more clearly that which is true and that which is not.
i think this (fun) video encapsulates perfectly everything that is not true: straight on the chin, https://youtu.be/vDq8vQ0t67A?t=25 ...("...IS IT POSSIBLE?") and the fact that this is everywhere, and reformation + 1611 is not,says a lot,too
Well said, Elsie. Indeed, we are an odd group. People who are part of this group and those of the 1611 Fellowship are aware of many things of which the average institutional church person is ignorant. Where we are headed; that is a good question. Already we are being stigmatized by persons in the institutional church. I have emails accusing us of being a "cult." (Whatever that is.) Yet, anyone who studies everything I have taught over the years can plainly see that my doctrine is 100 percent consistent with the true historic church. Meanwhile the institutional churches, their seminaries and pastors have bought into every wind of doctrine precipitated by the Jesuits, apostate teachers and fueled by the Vatican. In turn, congregations elevate mere men to a higher Christian status than the rest of us; the likes of John MacArthur, Ravi Zacharias, Billy Graham and the list goes on, all of whom have become obscenely wealthy through tithes and offerings. Who really is a cult, if not they and their kin?
highly obscure, yet extremely specific conditions, do not magic-crystalize outta nowhere side note also, that God allowed the ENTIRE existence and concept of the Reformation itself, to be hidden from me, until he gave me 1611 bible (seeing history alongside it) may these peculiarities continue to stack, especially if they're useful and show people toward God. i sense niche (rather than biased or statistical "topic attraction") , (get historical book, find historical contexts)
i've noticed that there are many people here, with a background in history, or learned/all explored history deeply. i wonder what God's plans are for this church/group? because this is currently sticking-out like a sore-thumb to me., just sayin
Thank you John and Reg! John reminded me of the 1825 Jesuit conference . . I knew that once but had forgotten. and the timing links up with so many contemporaneous historical events that I need to take time to develop a comment on all of them. Maybe you guys will cover this in the next installment. The year 1844 immediately comes to mind . .but also the Anti-Masonry Party in the US Pres election of 1832 . . Adams to Jefferson letter regarding the Jesuits in the young United States. . the European revolutions of 1848 etc etc. Also . . a request. Can you touch upon/give some historical context and treatment to the Great Awakening . . Wesley/Wilberforce . . Methodism .. . in England the US and what your assessment of it is. There have been some efforts to revive the Great Awakening . . for example . . the "Campground" movements and in modern times . . 'revivals" and spiritual retreats. My view of these is that, while mostly 'well-intentioned', in practice they appear to parallel Loyola's Jesuit "spiritual exercises" (and even Wiccan/Pagan wilderness rituals). These have been promoted and used in the Church of Rome and many of her harlot daughter modern "protestant" churches to create an imagined emotional, carnal connection to a false Christ without reference to the actual Word. Visualization, meditation, "speaking in tongues", other bodily experiences. These practices are designed to invite in unclean spirits through a person's imagination. The word "inspiration" literally means to indwell a spirit . .and should apply to the Hoy Spirit through the Word . . not staring into a campfire chanting hymns/altar calls, etc. Methodist pastors were some of the most dedicated to bringing the gospel to the frontier of the US. It was said of the earliest Methodist preachers who spread out into the US interior that "all they needed was their Bible, an audience and a meal." Dedicated men. However, there is a "social justice" aspect of Methodism that concerns me because the same is spoken of in the Church of Rome. Also, it cannot be ignored that Wesley came out of the Anglican church and was trying to reform it, rather than understanding that a complete break from that church was necessary. See for context the Puritans and the Non-conformists (even the Presbyterians under Knox's leadership; not the Freemasonic "Presbyterians" of today), all of whom were active during Wesley's time and had broken from the Church of England. Can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit? The Methodists were instrumental in defeating the practice of human slavery in England (see Wilberforce specifically) and the US. I believe that was a work divinely sanctioned and inspired, with many involved not just the Methodists. But "social justice" is a label that has been applied to many blasphemous undertakings in the name of God. The Sin of taking God's name in vain. At its worst, it is a thought process equivalent to salvation by works which rejects Christ's finished work . . and that is my reason for pause regarding Methodism. Maybe I am being too critical. Hopefully I am not beholding a mote in my brother's eye while ignoring the beame in mine. Matthew 3:5-7. I certainly understand that good works are a blessing.
Loyola's experiencey-spirit things. does anyone know the story of Narccissus? a man cursed to love his own reflection, who wasted-away at the water's edge. i see this going around in various,erm,sects...albiet what i know is mostly from books and youtube wanderings. in general tho, whatever experiences ppl say they have, which are supposedly ultra pure and spiritual, they can also have in a nightclub. or en masse in clearly apostate places. or accompanying (as seems popular or part of the "ritual") with drugs and other substances. this is why i'm suss of it, and rituals, even tho have had unaltered experiences, myself. others also seem to pressure ppl with it, and they want them to join in. this does not feel safe, or orderly. how much doubt is fostered because someone doesn't have a specified "experience"? there u then have created spiritual noobs and spiritual elites. u can "get closer to God" by "doing as i do/have xp", instead of thru God's word this does not sit right. they wanting confidence in the flesh
AMEN! Sharing this (as well as all the lessons in this series) for and with those who have, or will have ears to hear 🙏❤️
at last!
