PETER'S DEATH. DOCTRINES: IMMINENT RETURN & RAPTURE
The 1611 Fellowship discusses Peter's death and how that does not allow for a pretribulation rapture or the imminent (anytime) return of Christ.
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Hello folks. I encourage everyone to access John's latest post on YouTube titled "The Satanic Cult of Babylon and the War Against Christianity" . . the channel is A Lamp In The Dark. Maybe it can be reposted here. It is an excellent study and connects God's Word and admonitions to the events of the world today.
Where can I get a hard copy of the proper 1611 KJV from? I saw a link a while back but I don’t know where it is now
hello, i got mine in uk, but i believe below links are the same also, (USA amazon links below), i check my own, i do NOT check them with the digital texts on the KingJamesBibleOnline website, as those digital texts are corrupted, and seem to use some other modified text, and are even different from the scans on its own website... (check proverbs 3:5 - notice how the digital text is different from the 1611 scans on the very same page. websites will do anything but plainly give God's word without confusions and obfuscations and redirections straight back to messedup versions) (also check song of solomon on other digital apps or sites, it is usually different) however i DO believe the actual images of the bible image SCANS are correct, and i also reference Reginald's Book "Is Your Bible The Word of God?", and also know that God will help those reallyreallyreally digilently seeking out his booke, https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Proverbs-Chapter-3_Original-1611-KJV/ here are the USA links for puchasing bibles that i know about: 1 standard size small font print hardback hendrickson, usa: (they also do a stiff bendy black leather one that afaik is the same), https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-King-James-Version/dp/1565638085/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DR8YL0CGYBOQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.O6hyTIsnwQf2ZjE2uptOSaxow48awitRV2mJIRC2nVrJEMTUK6vq7sRA05nq1vnl-T2_MU6y-iRdU_WH-pUcHhChw-mMaTzRD5AHLumoQH2vLcqxBoTS36bjWisXD0-t.sFdvuokRf9G31pu7CwjNsBU2QksdyS4759uYcjWhahs&dib_tag=se&keywords=hendrickson+1611&qid=1754265104&sprefix=hendrickson+16%2Caps%2C555&sr=8-1 2 slightly bigger font (it's probably twice the size in dimensions of book), campbell, it is a heavy hardback book not good for transport, but the pages are thicker and clearer, usa: https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-James-Version-Quatercentenary/dp/0199557608/ref=ci_mcx_mr_mp_m_d_sccl_1_1/132-4746546-2985469?pd_rd_w=pvMZV&content-id=amzn1.sym.904f4c18-630f-4c52-8bdf-78921242d9bd:amzn1.symc.27c848cf-47ab-487b-bd07-91bc659e0119&pf_rd_p=904f4c18-630f-4c52-8bdf-78921242d9bd&pf_rd_r=P0R0VJZRAP67QW8QQ4RV&pd_rd_wg=jGXab&pd_rd_r=b251e01b-8494-4c54-b999-2fac7d1a33ee&pd_rd_i=0199557608&psc=1 UK links: 3 hendrickson uk https://www.amazon.co.uk/KJV-Bible-1611-Hendrickson/dp/1565638085/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IT39F50D8JGZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.O6hyTIsnwQf2ZjE2uptOSfzNLNCjjzITFL5u9apYHdG5PniDBXDqK5LPpdsKLTAQEgeylHlyYojX4qHU8FEIdEgmY7Go1JE7OpGOUjsLp5y1j9-ysM2tE6rXOgsXhBHG2-aIdNW_SLZAKMmd-FG8Qg.ryu1e7gsoszq-slXWTu4sQ61HyQ_UvEXkuZFq5aBhHY&dib_tag=se&keywords=1611+bible+hendrickson&qid=1754265331&sprefix=1611+bible+hendirkcon%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-1 4 campbell uk https://www.amazon.co.uk/King-James-Bible-400th-Anniversary/dp/0199557608/ref=sr_1_9?crid=2H9ALNPJO7LKQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0l6I6UFXqKyqJLOgiL1TK_WrmVJ3y_hZk75ZTmlj9jrZdLblCbE-22B1GZdxHIJIbTQ6t9JQ2WngxklpwoBM9o0vi230Xg2kMPTpyA68lE0zaV2tWlT9RES6R4TBn4PCYgzMoZSCUywLpPRa5bvvCGzZDkZSdn4TrzPhWVvfPckOdtlmQVfJtPQD_IIepDONoFM6RmbniZcZxeRNzCja8SejUB6_E8z8HiURSlrQYD0.LJDUb2III8Shasx0oXJkfrbIMYQ5nUOHOiWxKsqwN9Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=1611+bible&qid=1754265052&sprefix=1611+bibl%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-9 i also found another edition that looked the same, and throughout looked the same. but it was from an old collector, not a printer/publisher
Wonderful explanation Roy. As I witness Israels behavior and the slaughter of the Palestinians I ache with contempt, but I am torn between this horrifying behavior from both sides, hard for me stop stomach, but especially the leadership of Zionist Israel and how I see their behavior the complete contrary of God and Christs disposition. I'm reminded of Hosea 6:6 and Michah 6:8. I see Zionism, especially Christian Zionism where they've replaced Jesus Christ with Israel. I also see Zionism as apartheid pure and simple, always a victim, our way or the highway. Galations 3:28, Colossians 3: 11 says the contrary,
unrelated: (all i can say, seems i do not feel able to conclude, is what i can report and what i experienced), my twin (in lexicon/catholic bibles),, and I (1611) , both had dreams about incoming thunder and lightning, the same night. i somehow felt the rain on my skin even after waking. i had a vision/dream of dark clouds parting and a light behind it, partially in the dream and out of the dream. (i stare a lot at the sky in dreams) and in the dream, i saw how my eyes were opening, to see , and it was slow opening and i was thankful regardless, because i felt God's patience (hard to explain). i knew i could relax (also hard to explain), that he would do it for me also later that day, in real life, above our house was also a whirlpool of air and it was incredibly strange. this was in the daytime. it poured down rain heavily but only for a split second. i dont know if it was beginnings of a tornado in UK , considering the heatwave lately. totally [rainfall] like that spontaneous rain clip from The Truman Show. do i water the garden plants. or do i not water the garden plants...at this point... (lol).
So, it's spiritual Jerusalem, is it not, that Zach: 12:9 is referring?
I'm not 100% sure. What is your reasoning?
:)) excited to hear the next fellowship. goodluck everyone
Thank you Reg/John for some good insight. BTW great comment s Roy.
Amen!
Thanks for sharing your insight Roy! I enjoys your comments. Would be nice to meet you through the 1611 fellowship on Sundays.
Thank You Reg for this teaching. Along with other historical facts, it helps to further establish that Revelation given to John was written . . AFTER . . the destruction of Jerusalem. Peter living into old age, before the second coming, would coincide with the destruction of Jerusalem or thereabouts. Why is this important? It further eviscerates the Jesuit eschatological doctrine of "Preterism" which maintains that all biblical prophecy was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem. It was promulgated by Jesuit Luis De Alcasar as part of the counter-reformation. Preterism failed to take hold and defeat the Protestant understanding of the Pope/Vatican/Church of Rome as Antichrist . . so Futurism (created at same time by Francisco Ribera) was re-imagined by Jesuit Robert Bellarmine and promulgated through the various false teachers the Jesuits had sent out to protestant congregations. As you and John have noted, the Jesuit-led Oxford Movement in the Church of England was probably the most successful of these infiltrations, with John Nelson Darby being the main protagonist of the Futurist heresy. This history is well-documented which gives the modern harlot "protestant" churches no excuse for pushing these heresies today. As you say, even the Church in Rome does not promulgate modern "Left Behind"/ "Rapture" nonsense, as it is so provably absent from even the most corrupt bibles.
On Peter stretching out his arms, being dressed by someone else, and being led away. In my understanding, I dont believe that this is a reference to an eventual crucifixion or even martyrdom of Peter. In addition, I think the legend of Peter being crucified upside down. . in Rome . . has no biblical support. My understanding is that this legend has been promulgated by the Catholic church to support the Papal succession heresy. First, Peter was never in Rome, Paul was. This is an important study for all Christians and destroys the concept of papal succession. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, not Peter. The overwhelming biblical evidence is that, after Our Lord's ascension, Peter ministered to the Jews mainly in and around Jerusalem. He even clashed with Paul on the issue of the Gentiles and had to be visited in a dream to accept the concept that Gentiles could be saved. Acts 10. My understanding of John 21 is this. Spending time with elderly, you know that they reach . . .arms outstretched . . for help to walk and steady themselves. Others dress the elderly when they are too weak to dress themselves. So, the only thing I take from this verse is that Peter lived into old age as you concluded. The only evidence that Peter was martyred is the reference to be led where Peter didn't want to go. John 21. However, the historical account of the siege of Jerusalem that preceded its destruction in AD 70 is that there was a break in the siege that coincided with the Roman Succession War. During this time, many fled Jerusalem. It is at least possible that the stubborn Peter left with other Christians at this time . . being dressed and leaving into the wilderness although he did not want to go. This speculation of mine is put forward simply to show that we have no idea from scripture how Peter died or even if he was martyred. My spiritual understanding is that any legend which glorifies Peter's death in any way only serves the Romish church. Remember, Peter boasted that he would lay down his life for Jesus at the Last Supper . . and Jesus foretold that Peter would deny him thrice instead. And Peter did. To me, this undermines the concept that Peter, although saved, was later martyred. He may have been, but it neither follows from scripture nor is of any significance other than to Peter himself. In John 21, my reading is that Peter asks Jesus by what manner of death Peter could glorify God (John 21: 19). In my understanding, Jesus responded that Peter would live to old age to the point where others would need to care for him. Not the end that the often boastful and bold Peter may have envisioned for himself. Throughout the New Testament, Peter's reactions/responses provide a case study in a believer's carnal mind, failures of spiritual understanding and lack of faith under pressure. Peter was not the "Rock" on which Jesus built his church. . just an average, flawed man like all of us . . and he proved that many times. (But he also was fiercely loyal and loved Our Lord and kept seeking after him throughout his entire life. He ran to the tomb when he heard it was empty. Luke 24:12.)