FREEWILL VS. PREDESTINATION
1611 Fellowship members express their views on this subject. What is the difference between a slave and a servant?
Comments (7)
Very good point about slave because when checking the verses it says servant. I still have this thought in my mind even though quite clearly a servant is not a slave. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. - New American Standard Version (1995) Jesus answered them ... As we know this Bible is a construct of the 7 Hills. This one word confounded me for decades. However God in his infinite mercy showed me his pure word and I am grateful beyond words. So thanks! (Had this post above as this message shows as posted twice)
It's seemingly small things like this that just take someone to turn the light on for us; from there the Holy Ghost convicts us. ASV and all the others are definitely constructs of Rome. These people are extremely intelligent and profoundly devious. The average person and institutional Christian has no idea.
Calvinism cannot reconcile names blotted out of the book of life. How do names get into the book of life in the first place? They completely ignore those scriptures. Also, Calvinists quote from corrupt Bibles "no one is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand" (that would include God); conversely the 1611 says "no man is able to plucke them out of my fathers hand." (this leaves room for God to pluck them out of his hand.) Thus, blotting them out of the book of life.
I think John/you just simplified it for me. Predestination = Slavery. God understands this better than we do. He did not make us slaves. Robots with no purpose other than as predestined pawns (a mindset that fits very nicely with the hierarchical pyramid that is the Roman Catholic Church.). He came to free us from slavery. Galatians 5:1 "Stand fast therefore in the libertie wherewith Christ hath made vs free, and bee not intangled againe with the yoke of bondage" Psalm 107:13-14 "13Then they cryed vnto the Lord in their trouble: and he saued them out of their distresses. 14Hee brought them out of darkenesse, and the shadowe of death: and brake their bands insunder."
Truly, God made us free at the point of salvation. Free does not equal slavery (as you pointed out) Slavery equals not free. Many think slave and servant are more or less the same thing, but nothing could be farther from the truth. We must learn to read the Bible for what it says, not for what we want it to say; and many, sadly, mentally edit out words they don't like and mentally change them for others more to their liking. That is an outcome of brainwashing.
John MacArthur cannot be trusted. I am convinced he knows his position on "slave" is incorrect. He does it to manipulate his flock into embracing Calvinism; and, I'm convinced he does this in service to Rome. Oddly, Roman Catholicism is highly Calvinistic without ever using that nomenclature. "Slave" agrees with modern Bibles that also are in service of Rome.
Great start to the discussion . . charity in our dealings . . Zeal vs Aggression . . a fine line that I have crossed too many times. Hopefully I'm getting better. It is a good thing we forgive and are forgiven. Thank you Reg for the alert on the Predestination topic. I am somewhat glad I missed it and can listen, because it is another issue where there is a higher understanding that I don't fully grasp yet. I inherently know that I have free will . . at least from my perspective. My choices have consequences, and I cannot shift the responsibility for those choices to God. I have sinned. God did not sin, because he cant. I choose to acknowledge my sin, and I choose to accept God's free gift of grace. God may have allowed me to do this . . but I bear responsibility from my perspective for choosing to follow Jesus Christ. This choice will have consequences in this life and the next. (BTW - great clarification by John - "Slave" reminds me of the nonsense John MacArthur promotes with respect to our relationship with Jesus . . God Forbid. The true relationship of servant and master is strong support of the understanding that we have free will and choice to follow Jesus.)