Episode 14 - The Long Goodbye (1973)
This week on Be Gay Solve Crimes, we're going back to 1970s Los Angeles if you can imagine such a thing. It's the Raymond Chandler classic The Long Goodbye with our beloved work-husband Philip Marlowe!
Join us as you hallucinate us all hosting a podcast for you, Nova outlines exactly which hobbies are sure signs of trans-femininity, Mia tells us about what it is about Mexico that gets her dog all hot under the collar, and Lucy gives us her best Donald Trump impression. If that wasn't enough, beloved professional automotive journalist Victoria Scott hops on to share her professional automotive opinions!
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The best "baby" saying detective is Kojak, who was the anti-Columbo. Stylish, tall, bald, didn't smoke. Dark ass gritty show. First episode has Harvey Keitel as part of a hostage taking crew. First season has Joe from Princess Diaries as a detective who works under Kojak who murders his wife.
I've just watched Father Brown / The Detective staring Alec Guinness on YouTube, and I think that will make a great follow up whenever you do a really dark film and need a breath of fresh, silly air. Truly, a film in which the detective steps in buckets of his own
Can't believe I didn't recognise Arnold in the episode art. Did make the reveal near the end even better though
As the only men to wear a tie at the tango club, I feel attacked. It is the only accessory a man can always wear: why would you ever dispense of it, if you are not fencing in a white ruffled shirt?
Lucy was on fire in the field of Sentences I Want to Take Out of Context, lol. "I'm not going to say threatening your coworkers with a gun is a Dudes Rock Moment, /but/" "... the funniest blackface joke I have ever seen" "Doctor V ~runs like an astronaut~" .
Nova: Long list of anachronistic fashion choices that indicate that you're an egg. Me(practicing my neckwear knots): "Got their asses."
If movies with smoking becomes a season/theme/category I hope Out of the Past is on the list. Hearing how our hosts pull trans vibes from Robert Mitchum's PI will be fantastic, my favourite part is when he's being offered a cigarette while he is smoking. Top shelf detective.
I just realised that I'm listening to this wearing a novelty shirt that says "plain clothes officer"
Getting hit repeatedly with calls to transition but the little repper voice inside me insisting that since estrogen comes standard clearly they don't mean ME
If you already named the voice "the repper voice" I think you already know what's up
The book is way more gay, but also more weirdly racist and more openly misogynistic. Definitely worth a read, I think the film is more enjoyable, definitely around my top 10.
Speaking of fake out deaths/injuries, one of the funniest bits in Buffy the Vampire Slayer is when Cordelia falls onto a piece of rebar and loses consciousness and then it cuts to a commercial and when it comes back from commercial, there is a funeral happening and then Buffy and Willow walk by the funeral saying "so Cordelia is going to be okay?"
I wasn't paying attention during the opener, and I thought the mean things they said about the Maltese Falcon were directed at this movie. So I braced myself for some disagreeable takes and got increasingly confused as the podcast went on and I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Knowing what the next mainline episode is, this next two weeks are going to be the longest two weeks of my life.
Raymond Chandler is the greatest to ever play the game, and Marlowe is his greatest creation. I think his model of masculinity is aspirational, it's what a man ought to be. Be like Philip Marlowe. Do what he would do. Have a magnificently descriptive inner monologue. Drink a Gimlet, it can't be as disgusting as it sounds. And because I can't not recommend things, I think The Witcher 3 is worth a look as a companion piece if you're in the Noirspace. I think it's up there with some of the best Film Noir, which is impressive because The Is So Fucking Much Of It and it's almost all killer and very, very little filler. Tossing it out there, maybe fire it up when the remade version drops for a future episode in like two years? Also thinking on what was said about the end of the 1960s thing, the high water mark of that culture, got me thinking of Get Carter. Get Carter occupies a similar time and a similar epochal shift but in British culture, and Michael Caine is cast deliberately as the personification of it, going from being the cheeky 60s icons like Alfie and Charlie Croker to being Jack Carter. And he goes from the hip and fashionable streets of London to brutalist 1970s Newcastle. Because not every British crime movie has to be set in London. Also I like the idea of the detective being unapologetically criminal. Changes the rules completely.
I'm a pool/billiards fan, and the real life Minnesota Fats would have $1,000 bills, which were already pretty rare and basically discontinued. They were slightly bigger than all other US currency. Speaking of getting money in the mail, someone writing his memoirs said that he was living with his mother-in-law and would basically have no money in the bank and a yard full of old rusted out Cadillacs and limousines and then a check would show up in the mail for $20,000 and he would keep right on trucking. also apparently put pet food inside these old limos and Cadillacs and huge herds of dogs and cats would come and eat.
A real “speak of the devil” moment but there was a bit of a miscommunication and they sent the wrong republican governor of California
It's nice finding out what actually happened in this movie. The one time I watched it I saw the first quarter of it and the last quarter. Everything inbetween was taken up with getting railed in a T4T encounter with a friend of mine
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Literally just watched Clue with my gf, so hyped - continuing the theme of quick quippy repartée
The first time November ever described repper dad theory I immediately thought of Ernest Hemingway but I didn't think of him as the father in this situation, he was the daughter. Because this was before I learned that he had a trans daughter. November said repressing dad and borderline mom; Hemingway writes about his dad being depressed and his mom being an unstoppable tide of acid and abuse. Combine that with Hemingway's lifelong over the top attempts at masculinity and suicidality, and yeah it kind of clicked for me. There's some trans joy in that the trans daughter is basically one of the few Hemingway family members to NOT commit suicide I need to reread "the Sun also rises" with a transmasc lens
Any chance of doing the recently departed Keigo Higashino's "The Devotion Of Suspect X", maybe including one of the film adaptations? Japanese mystery novels are a whole thing, maybe worth digging into
I haven't seen this movie (it sounds like I really should) but yeah, this sounds like everything I love about Marlowe. He's funny, he's soulful, he yearns. Being a girl is obviously infinitely preferable, but if I had to be a guy detective, that's the one I'd want to be.
Tuppy Poise New spy name for Nova, Tuppence Poise?
how did they not mention the dogs?
As a profoundly anachronic cis gay; there is a way to be cis male and wholly unmoored from time but it involves far too much necromancy and copulation with spirits to be advisable for anyone under 200 years of age
Clicked on this thinking it was about The Long Kiss Goodnight. Very confused for a bit.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH I DON’T WANT TO BE A WOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
In all seriousness, I always feel a kind of annoyed, hostile pang in my stomach whenever the hosts bust out the everybody transgender codswallop, but I think that’s because I want to escape into a different MAN’S body, not into the body of a woman. I AM entirely alienated and self loathing, and my bizarre, confused machismo is a performance because everything about me is. I feel like ugly slime around other people, feel fundamentally uncomfortable with myself and also feel guilt for every part of me, including my manhood. BUT. I don’t want to wear a skirt. I don’t want to wear lipstick. I don’t want tits. I don’t want a pussy. I don’t want to deal with all that dysphoria business, or that misogyny business. I don’t want pills. I don’t want surgeries. I don’t want to tell my parents “your son is dead”. I don’t want to watch yuri. I don’t want to be a lesbian. Do they make estrogen for the nonbinary? Estrogen that gives you any self esteem? I don’t want to “die”. I don’t want to lose my penis and my stupid little mustache and my male-coded interests. I don’t want to lose Jean jackets and pants and my naturally handsome face. But I also just… want to be happy. I don’t know as who, or as what, even. But I just want to be happy. Sorry if that’s REALLY heavy, but hey- clearly, the point of all the egg cracking shit is to make SOMETHING emerge out of us as an audience, and well, this is my something. Don’t take this as a scolding, Mia/Lucy- if anything, I thank you for metaphorically getting me to finally vomit this out. For real.
Smoking Malboros, we call that the lung goodbye
yesterday I was recommending this podcast to a friend and I stated I'm "praying to God that they eventually cover the long goodbye, or Chinatown" and lo and behold this episode comes out a day after, given I have been granted a wonderful holy gift, I'm now praying they cover Costa gavras' Z
The Arnold Schwarzenegger extra work in the episode art reminds me of Jason Statham's first role in a terrible but highly entertaining music video. Need to watch this movie.
I feel like most of the good classic noir movies were done by Billy Wilder and aren’t about detectives despite that being what people think of for the genre. I do recommend Kiss Me Deadly as another detective noir pick as it’s about a violent fascist detective that the movie wants you to hate. The writer of the Mike Hammer novels, himself a fascist, hated the movie. Also one of the wildest MacGuffins of a noir film.
This is for real one of my favourite movies ever
I'm so hyped for the next episodes. Both The Naked Gun and Clue. They were big childhood moments for me.
Raymond Chandler, for whatever reason, travelled to my city in 1917 and joined a Canadian Scottish battalion. In 1918 he transferred to the Royal Air Force, where they recorded these notes on his personal habits: "Smoking--10 cigs, 3 pipes. Inhales. Alcohol--Moderate. Illnesses--Seasick every time Sea is rough."
I’m not sure if all the books qualify but I think it can be argued that Ciaphas Cain is a sort of detective And I think there’s a decent argument to be made about his transness (I think he’s transmasc but that’s probably my bias as a trans man) Not sure if they cover books though, they aren’t super long though and the voice acting for the audiobooks is superb
I love the case the Cain is a Man Out of Time: in any other setting he would be an outright hero, but he just does not fit in his societies morals, where every one is a omicidal-suicidal xenophobe that would make Showa Japan blush in embarrassed inadequacy. Is that trans?
Congratulations Elmira!
2 minutes into the episode and being bombarded with no less than 18 Puppytoys, Gwen has too much power
As someone who struggles a little bit with doubt as to the veracity of her transness (it's all brain worms) I love how every one of these episodes at least once, if not multiple times, someone, usually lucy, will one-to-one recount an experience I have had and then be like yeah so this probably means your transgender. And me one year on estrogen is like I did get this right this is an essential thing I have to do.
You guys already did rashomon, you just don’t remember it as well as my infallible memory does
Do Ealing comedies count? Lavender Hill is technically a heist; kind hearts only briefly feats the law, though despite the n bomb, i could forgive Dennis Pryce's accent almost anything. Up to the arrow, the punt had too much collateral damage pour moi.
i know nova has a fondness for The Ladykillers, but i think Who Done It? (1956) would be the more obvious choice. it’d likely be a fair while before we’d get to it, though
“More loyal to his cat than his cat is to him” - surely that’s just normal cat ownership though?
Depends on the cat.
Fuuuuuuuck, I didn't know that about Hemingway. That explains A LOT.
your local librarian recommends reading Hemingway’s posthumous novel The Garden of Eden
I love hearing from Professional Automotive Journalist Victoria Scott to get her Professional Automotive Opinion
YES MY FAVORITE CATBOY
