[BONUS] Episode B - Silence of the Lambs
On this week's Bonus Episode of Be Gay Solve Crimes, we take a leaf out of the late great Hannibal Lecter's book and, tongues firmly in our cheeks, attempt to pin down that most curious of transphobic shapeshifters, Silence of the Lambs (1991).
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What I love about these is how much you can show love and appreciation for something terribly transphobic, still finding all the ways it's good without letting it off the hook for its problems.
wild that thru following around the november kelly extended universe, no podcast could be *more* me and i'm a tragic bond fan - this rules <3
Cracked my egg recently and feeling extremely called out by the “all transmascs are OBSESSED with the Hannibal series” It’s true! But she shouldn’t say it!! 😂
I first saw this movie around 2014/2015 on the basis that I really liked the Hannibal series, and I didn't know about the transness/transphobia of it. I was so naive at the time that as soon as the main character said that trans people are no more violent than anyone else, I was able to relax because I took it at face value that this is what the movie believed. I though I was just watching a regular serial killer thriller film where the villain just happens to be trans, on the rational that if one percent of people are trans then one percent of serial killers might well be trans, so maybe one in ten million people are trans serial killers? All the Ed Gein or any of the other trans panic stereotypes that are in the movie went completely over my head, because as I say I was naive. So to me it was more like Death Note where brain geniuses use mind magic to do intellectual battle through the medium of camp detectivery, and so I enjoyed it on that rather silly level, lol.
BLACKSAD!
November has WILDLY specific fantasies. "Who wouldn't want to be groomed by the FBI?"
Speaking of love of butterflies, the George Clooney movie The American (maybe a good fit for kjb) is about a cold, shut down guy who loves and paints butterflies and has a butterfly tattoo in the middle of his back and only decides to start living because a beautiful Italian woman. The novel is interesting because he claims he's apolitical (in the books he's a bespoke weapon maker for assassinations) but mentions the French revolution being "lesser/wretched people betraying their betters" and also notes whenever he sees pro Mussolini graffiti My wife and I (cis man) are both bi/pan, and she was closeted and I didn't realize it about myself when we got together at ages 19 and 20. Over the years, she would occasionally remark that she had a crush on Jodie Foster. "Who doesn't?" I would think. "normal thing for a straight woman to say and think." And then like 10 years into our relationship she came out to me and I was like "oh okay that makes sense. That explains her explicitly telling me that she had crushes on Jodie Foster. And Dana Scully. And Holly Hunter. And the cat captain from treasure planet." I first heard of Marcus Aurelius from this movie and from Gladiator I guess and it does plant a seed of "the most genius dude in fiction wants you to read Marcus Aurelius" but also Meditations/Stoicism is pretty cool and helpful as long as you also have class consciousness and don't try to use Stoicism as a salve for capitalist misery.
the "clever girl division" bit gives me a weird idea that Special Agent Starling is genderbent Shinji.
Not to be a horrid nitpick of sin: Coveting is wanting for oneself what another has; Envy is wanting such that one wants another not to have, that the envied is ruined if it is not yours (hence why it causes misfortune & the Evil Eye curse) Wanting for one without depriving another or seeking their ruination, is more like Craving, a hunger that is delayed but constrained; desire to emulate; aspiration or longing; or burning, to be in ardor for... Envy's spiteful current is what distinguishes it from lust or gluttony or greed (covetousness)
Ambition however to even disregarding wellbeing is the worst. Superbia,Vainglory! She served only herself!
Late to this but have to say Jodie Foster walked so my queen Scully could run. Greatest to ever do it 🫡 (btw xfiles is an incredible pull for this podcast, as both Mulder and Scully are transgender)
when Nova was like "there's this furry artist I follow" I was like "she's going to say stedalink she's going to say stedalink" and I fucking deafened myself with the shout I let out when I was correct in the confines of my U-Haul box truck which is full of my girlfriend stuff that I am moving into our big house
Alright, let's talk Quordle openers. I always start with BAYOU, and usually follow it with CRIME and GHOST, which gets all the vowels, most common consonants and a potential Scooby Doo movie pitch in only three words
I start with SALET because some guy ran an algorithm that decided it was the best one and those consonants are used the most often
When y'all do Zootopia, feel free to DM me any furry questions you got. I've been in the fandom so long I feel like the ancestor from fucking Darkest Dungeon when I reflect on it ( the community has way more good people than bad and I love it but I have drank too deep from the cup of knowledge )
The thing about buffalo bill being a trans/nazi serial killer reminds me of when I was watching one of the mission impossible films and there was an anarchist/CIA agent supervillain and I thought "well he doesn't get it from my side of the family!"
This is so good, and even better when you know that Silence! The Musical already exists. Hannibal referencing people will say we're in love from Oklahoma! is very gay. I'd love to hear an episode on the seven-per-cent solution, which is about Sherlock Holmes getting treatment from Sigmund Freud. And Steven Sondheim wrote a song for it
already on the list 🫡
As soon as November said the furry artist's name, I thought, oh yeah, of course that one.
Chiming in with scooby doo 1 or 2 because mystery solving is intrinsic with gender also a goated cast
currently deciding whether to do these as bonus episodes or as a live show, but they’re absolucy on the list
From memory there is a detective in Psycho, but he gets got almost instantly. Just absolutely eats shit.
Harry Du Bois may be the human can opener, but Hannibal Lecter is the human hydrolic press.
Also, please do Ace Ventura: Pet Detective. Parts 1 and 2. Somehow, the 2nd is even more problematic, but both are still prime meat for BGSC
Cards on the deck here: I'm a cis het man. I started listening to this podcast in much the same way that I do for most podcasts; my sweet baby Nova is involved. Toss in Mia and Lucy, and I'm completely on board, and I love the direction that this podcast is going. (deep breath) I should stress the fact that not all ciscet men are as we are depicted in this movie. Hell, I wasn't even born when this movie was made, and I only just recently read the source material. I love Hannibal Lecter as a villain, one of the best. I'm also ten vodkas deep texting this lol. I do feel a little wounded about some comments in this otherwise lovely episode of BGSC, at the expense of cis men. I've been a cishet ally for years, and I get why the LGBT+ community is sick of the less informed of us. But there are still good cis het men, and even better trans het men, who don't appreciate being lumped in to the broader conversation about the chuds who pollute our ranks. TLDR, we're not all like that.
You should think of it kind of like how it is when anyone complains about say, Americans. Or southerners. They don't mean you cause you ain't the one causing problems. If I say 'I hate bees' it's generally understood that I don't mean bumblebees, I mean the ones that sting.
I would love to see Hannibal! On Ice if they can get Mads Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy back for it
As someone whose brain doesn't let her see her body as it really is: you have to trust the people who see you when they tell you you're beautiful. There is a liar in your brain.
I plan on never watching this film, but it was a delight to hear you talk about it
Great episode! Shout out to the editor, feels much more comfortable
How many Brazilians do you think are named Regetarian or Rilanthropist?
I know this isn't the point of the podcast, and also probably considered blasphemy considering the quality of the two movies, but I kind of prefer the Brian Cox Hannibal Lektor over Anthony Hopkins Hannibal Lecter. There's just a subtle menace hidden behind an almost jovial character in Manhunter compared to the more over the top Silence of the Lambs.
That gave me so many complex feels.
Speaking yokel to get past people is literally a plot point from the opera carmen
STEDILNIK MENTIONED, SUBSCRIPTION VINDICATED!!
I do love the film despite the terrible depictions of gender non-conformity. And it is because of Jodie Foster. She was part of my gender worship. I desperately wanted to be Jodie Foster from a very young age and this is one of her best roles. I wanted to be this smart, strong woman who still kept her emotional core, when films of the 80's just made strong women into men with boobs.
Whoever's making the thumbnails, keep up the great work; this is the best one so far
I have a deep and endless love for Jodie Foster accurately portraying what it's like to try and hide your West Virginia accent to be taken seriously