Why did you stop playing adult games with a female protagonist?
When I was preparing for my new project, I played a lot of erotic games with a female character — Lily of Valley, Anna Exciting Affection, Steps of Debauchery. And I didn’t finish any of them.
Though with Steps of Debauchery it wasn’t because of the game — I just found out I had no saves, and I didn’t feel like replaying it. Honestly, that’s probably a very common reason.
But here’s why I quit the others: once the heroine had slept with one guy, then another, then a third, at some point the developer couldn’t give me anything new. I mean, what else was left? There had already been an old man, a threesome, a BBC… Yet the projects kept going and going.
At that point, the heroine was still being given choices like “Sex or no sex,” but let’s be real — she was already sleeping with everyone indiscriminately. It created a narrative dissonance, and I’d just stop playing.
That’s why I’m not planning an overly long development cycle for my central story — I’m aiming to finish it in the remaining 2.5 years out of the 3 I’ve allocated.
What about you — what are your reasons?
Почему вы перестали играть в игры для взрослых с женским главным героем?
Когда я готовился к своему новому проекту, я поиграл во множество эротических игр с женской героиней — Lily of Valley, Anna Exciting Affection, Steps of Debauchery. И ни одну из них я так и не прошёл до конца.
Впрочем, с Steps of Debauchery это произошло не из-за самой игры — просто я обнаружил, что у меня нет сохранений, а перепроходить заново не захотелось. Думаю, это вообще очень популярная причина.
Но вот почему я забросил остальные: когда героиня переспала с одним, потом с другим, потом с третьим, в какой-то момент разработчик уже не мог мне дать ничего нового. Ну а что ещё? Старик уже был, тройничок был, BBC был… Но при этом проект продолжался и продолжался.
Героине по-прежнему предлагали выбор вроде «Секс или не секс», но давайте честно — она уже и так спит со всеми без разбора. Возникает нарративный диссонанс, и я просто бросаю игру.
Поэтому я и не закладываю слишком длинный срок разработки центрального сюжета — планирую закончить его за оставшиеся 2,5 года из трёх, что я отвёл на разработку.
А какие причины у вас?
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"But here’s why I quit the others: once the heroine had slept with one guy, then another, then a third, at some point the developer couldn’t give me anything new." Well, if the game is any good, that should be only one way out of a myriad of ways to play. I love female protagonist games just as much as male ones. all things being equal. In other words, a female protagonist has to face possible consequences or possible different outcomes. I really don't see why it should be any different from a male protagonist game in that regard. Good stories are good stories, no matter what the perspective angle is ... and nothing suggests that while you play from a female's perspective you (as a male) you don't mold her from your own male perspective.
i know i said this but choice. the option to pursue or not... as soon as there is no option to not sleep with people im out.. its just becomes porn with people playing for the sex scenes skipping story
I understand where your coming from ,but if nothing sexual happens you get accused of draining players, a blueballer etc. I can appreciate the dilemma. Personally I love the grind, but there has to be sex somewhere in all AVN s. Im not into the Mc becoming a total slut getting banged by everyone they meet. Much rather it be quality sex like the most partner has to really earn it. A slip up at a party , a hand job on a dance floor. Stuff like that. Also I think if the game is at such a high quality as yours is, the story can be retold with different events many times over, such as in the Big Brother and Bad Bobby stories.
Playing as female I've found that rather than find sexy new ways to explore within the limits of a relationship that most devs just go further down the same tired rabbit holes or use the same kinks, the same way every time. MC gets sucked in, MC gets desperate, MC cheats, it just gets more desperate and then... MC faces no consequences but everyone around her suffers. The story just gets darker and darker. And playing as male, especially in a neto world, it's even more degrading and some people even love that, love the negative emotion and way it makes them feel. There are a few top titles, mostly harem based, but the vast majority of AVNs are about money grabbing kinks and quick wanks to degrade or humiliate .. lather, rinse, repeat. Grab your favorite dark basement, bottle of scotch, throw on Depeche Mode and play one handed for an hour while you, as a female MC (or male), just keep getting shit on? Not my thing LOL
Part of it, for me, is the continual corruption of the MC. Sure, by then end of the first few updates, she's slept around most of the town and about the only thing missing is a train of circus midgets. But, it's that continual decline and degradation that brings me back. On the other hand, I've played some of the game where it was more of a chore to log in and continue the story that should have ended several updates before now. I like your idea of a definite timeframe, allows you to properly pace out the activity and give an actual close to the character.
i never stop, and play only female protagonist games
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Мне не зашла.
"at some point the developer couldn’t give me anything new" That's the same reason that I stop. For me it is that slide into promiscuity that is erotic. The checking off of increasingly extreme kinks afterward doesn't interest me in the same way. I think many FMC AVNs continue because they weren't written with a specific ending in mind, and so the developer carries on because of the popularity of the game, even though the storytelling is done. I like how Princess Trainer did it. The point of the corruption was to get Jasmin to the point where she didn't care that it was Jafar she was submitting to, and enjoyed the exhibitionism of the final display of the consummation of their union.
Another good one is A Wife and Mother.
What I like about FMC is that the author can explore what she is thinking, why she made those decisions and the consequences of those decisions that make the story IMHO. It's what go on in her head, the seduction down the path of sexual desire. I'm also a fan of Jessica O'Neil's Hard News because of the slow slide that she takes towards infidelity and eventually making the decision to explore and recreate the sexual "high" she has experienced. Once hooked, she can't go back to the way her life was!!!
I thoroughly enjoy good FMC games. The ones I quit were mostly if it is just low-quality corruption from obese and ugly men (a part of the corruption genre but not everyone's cup of tea). Story wise, one of the best FMC AVN's is probably GGGB by Eva Kiss. It has a lot of branching and replay value, and while graphically not very advanced, it nailed the female perspective and how it is different from the male POV. For a good looking woman, hooking up is trivially easy, but that advantage is offset by a lot of different challenges. Physical confrontations are almost always a no. Reputation can suffer if an FMC is perceived as "easy" (while for guys it is often an achievement for getting a lot of girls as it is much harder). In GGGB, the FMC could pursue her own interests, and even if she rejected most of the corruption options, end up on top by the end of the game. Finding ways to make the FMC "win", indulging in hypergamous tendencies while keeping her relationship afloat, even openly, and finding different routes to achieve different relationship outcomes, that is what makes a FMC game great IMO.
GGGB is indeed one of the best games in the genre. However, we can’t use their approach, since it’s based on drawn graphics. Games built with traditional 2D art have slightly different ways of storytelling. But overall, yes — it’s probably the gold standard.
holy shit 2.5 years!?
?Is that a lot or a little?
I didn't stop! I playing and continue do this. FMC offers something new and fresh. Swinging, cuckolding, cheating etc. LIke one user below me said - male protagonist don't have that content. You probably know how these NTR crybabies are. Many Devs are scared to do something because of them
Reread my subscribers’ comments below.
I only playing them for gangbang/MMF scenes and make her total slut. You can't find that stuff in male protagonist games because of anti-ntr people.
Honestly it's to much BBC, OLD and FAT man content that kills it for me, also games with no choices or Forced scenes. The FMC is usually Super attractive and either has a BF/Husband Already that looks decent ( in most games sometimes he is "lacking" in one way or another) but then for some reason this super hot girl wants a old or fat guy why...as for the BBC stuff it's just over used, to many devs watching Hotwife porn or something.
The problem with all porn games with FMC is that "development" almost always starts with a modest girl and ends with a gangbang and that’s all. To build a career in the porn business, become a super stripper with huge fees, create an animal shelter and make people go crazy from breaking the templates, that a “whore” has done more good deeds than the right judges - no, even for these simple ideas there is no fantasy. At the beginning a shy blowjob, in the middle MFF, at the end a gangbang, then the credits - that's all they can come up with. Male protagonists often do something unrelated to porn - fight with swords, build something, do management, etc. And FMC - just becomes a whore. Even working in a cafe always comes down to "show me your tits for 100$". By the way, I have never seen even the slightest hint of something like this in catering establishments, but the developers stubbornly shove the work of a waitress into their "masterpieces". Waitress - modeling – glory hole - party - 3 bbc - finale. The details may vary, but in general the scheme is the same. Boring, implausible and the female protagonist almost always has zero charisma.
It depends on the game, but there are a few core reasons why players lose interest before the game ends: 1. Convoluted plot with too many characters that players don't care about. 2. Repetitive story beats - it's just new sex scenes with no narrative progression. 3. Blatant milking past the story's natural conclusion or deliberately delaying the good stuff. 4. Arrival of new games from different developers wilth a very similar premise. 5. Over representation of specific kinks (BBC, feet, cuck, etc) 6. A string of delays or low-quality updates.
I don't have many female lead games in my acounts, as most seem to revolve around "corruption" and how fast the MC can engage in every depravity possible. However, I most recently played Actual Roommates and, it was just a romp. Lots of chances for gratuitious sex, buidling a harem, but for the MC as written it made sense and wasn't the centerline of the plot--it was more of an action/spy comedy tale. I also have some other female MC games like Occultus, Mythos, and Hopepunk City (the latter two with options for m/f MC). It seems like all of them focus on the story, the MC can choose to have sex (or try to have it) where it seems appropriate, but they are mainly focused on resolving the plot as opposed to finding new ways and partners for copulation. They are other story genres first, with adult activities for adult characters included.
Not enough girl-on-girl, not enough far-off corruption goals for the girl to obtain, be it to do with pregnancy, drugs, crime, perversity w
girl-on-girl is a forbidden topic in my country, I don't want to touch it yet.
They got to confusing with to many options. And took to long to get anywhere
I actually like female protag games. I can make her as slutty and corrupt as I want.
I also experienced a glitch and lost my progress in "Steps of Debauchery" 😞, but it's a very good game. For now, I've only abandoned "Fashion Business" (DecentMonkey) due to a lack of time. It's a Russian game initially made in RPGM, and the first two episodes are very tedious as you have to click on 40 things on the screen. I'll finish it someday, but a lot happens and there's a lot of corruption. I've played "September 19" (MyDots), "Luna Falls from Grace" and "Luna Reloaded" (I love both of these games), "Sin Heels", "Fresh Story" also known as "Kate" (I think you did a promo with this game), and "Jessica O'Neil's Hard News" (a wonderful game, but sadly it's almost been abandoned with only one update per year). Now I'm trying the wonderful "Project Myriam".
Maybe because there is no goal for the female protagonist, in the game she is just an object wich is manipulate by men, not a lady Mac Beth or strong heroine who use seduction and sex to catch power. So the game seem endless with repetition of sex and no progression of the story
Interesting thought. Overall, yes — usually the plot is more or less nominal, and after a while I’d completely forget what the game was even about.
The game Girllife is rather interesting,because there you can really let the heroine do what you want. Most of these games force you to simply watch a fixed plot. And the odds are that the plot gets boring, especially if the developer wants milk his patreons.
If I understand correctly, that’s a QSP game. That’s actually what I started with when I first played erotic games — QSP sandboxes.
Hey Novel, I agree with everyone here and I think you are heading in the right direction. It’s a slow burn but what you have done versus others is throw in here imagination like she can choose who she sees in the shower scene and the one with her and Justin is awesome. It’s giving us a taste without having her jump off the “I’m a slut” cliff lol. I think you have something unique and that is why I’m supporting you. Others I like are Her Desire, which puts the controls in the players hands and yes there is a blackmail route but she can shove that in his face which I loved. Sorority Temptations is really shaping up to be a good one. Just keep doing what you had planned and we will support you all the way.
Thank you for such an assessment.
I agree, once the female MC has crossed the line, the interest vanished for the most part. Same thing for TV shows built on the premise, will they? Won’t they? Once the 2 main MC in those show finally hook-up, the show no longer works. Here is what I’m looking for and haven’t found yet: I know Adult VN/games mean sexually explicit content, and I want that. But what I would really love is if the Adult in Adult Games or VN would also mean Mature content, Serious subject manner. Something a teenager or young adult would probably hate, but older men like me would find relatable after the Sex elements. Here is what I mean exactly. I want a game with Corruption as the theme. The female MC is in a relationship (better if it’s a good one, if the male MC is an ass, or worse, a cuck, then I’m out) but she gets corrupted as we play and make the choices and eventually let her dark and most hidden desire take over. The pace is up to the creator. You can focus on 1 affair (boring but realistic) or multiple fantasies. Where do you go from there, once we crossed that line? Reality! Consequences! I would like to see what happen once the truth comes-out. Her lies are exposed. her betrayal known by the male MC. How does she defend her actions? What does she think? Regrets or Entitled? How does HE react? Defeated and give-up! Fight to save the relationship (eurk!) or seeks revenge or justice? In the last few weeks/months, thousands of AI generated stories have been posted on YouTube describing just that, so it might be popular enough to be worth exploring in an Adult VN/game!
FMC games tend to wear out the sex thing too soon. It becomes repetitive. How is that different from a male harem game? Can the woman have something in mind in her adventures rather than being a slut? How about being a femme fatale? Is there a plot in that?
Yes, that’s exactly the balance I’m aiming for.
Your game and work are excellent bro . I am definitely supporting you bro
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I enjoy getting the female perspective to encounters. How they see a situation and react to it. Corruption games can be fun, but a lot of them corrupt the fmc quickly and after that the only choice is to have sex with anyone that wants it from you. Getting to spend some time in a females mind while going through day to day situations is what I hope for. Then getting to make the choices and see where it goes from there. Having more options on how to respond to situations. Most choices usually comes down to overreact or agree to whatever request. The FMC gets blackmailed and the story ends if she doesn't comply to the blackmailer. Some fmc games start of really strong and then towards the end it is like the developer got lazy, or was just ready to end the game, and it becomes monotonous. Give the game life, options, and hopefully in a sandbox setting so we can explore the city and have different interactions in the day to day aspect for the female we are playing as. I personally enjoy the experience of what goes on in her head and getting to understand how she sees the world versus how a male sees the world.
That’s exactly what I try to focus on — the psychology of it. To show that the heroine doesn’t just react to events, but actually lives through them, makes choices, has doubts, analyzes things, and that this inner process influences how the story develops.
Another good example is Love and Jealousy. It is an emotional hard ride, might be too much for some. Dev says "an ntr game for people who don't like ntr. Essentially a game for nobody." He explores consequences of childhood abuse, other sensitive difficult topics. So don't be afraid to take risks. And intense emotion is good if it isn't soap opera. I'd say one similarity of good games is that they are entirely different every time. And a really good, well told story can make up for many other deficiencies. Right now, you seem to have a game that is making money for you. If that is a necessity, don't mess with the game too much. It works. Ignore us guys who are not pressed by such realities.
I can’t take risks — I have a team that has invested time and resources, and a family that depends on me.
I'm 41 years old, and I've been playing games since I was 8 or 9, during the Atari generation. As games evolved, I became a fan of open-world games. The Witcher 3 became a milestone in my life. Today, Cyberpunk 2077, for example, has 1800 hours to play, and out of 11 saves, I have 9 female characters. I can't create any more male characters. Why? Simple: I'm a straight, married man. I know what it's like to be a man in real life. And because I love women and all their femininity, there's nothing better than a female character. XD As for adult games, I'm kind of new to them, and it was quite by chance: Projekt Passion 1 and 2, The Grey Dream, and With Eyes Closed 1. As for "our" game, Boundaries of Morality, what caught my attention, besides all the quality, top-notch scenes, and everything else, was the couple completely changing the experience. I believe that you developers can leave it up to us to chart the path we want for both of us. In one save, I can be faithful to both, in another, Tyler faithful and Emma not, and finally, Tyler unfaithful and Emma faithful. In other words, if Emma wants to have sex with everyone available throughout the story, that's the player's problem, and vice versa, you know? I believe that such "power" in the narrative is already being sort of mapped out this way. Hugs to all.
Ha, I love a good female prot game. I feel like they bring very different energies and tone than male prot games. I'd agree that there are a lot of female prot games that burn out to fast due to the problems you've mentioned, I think thats why I prefer slow burn, and prefer games where adult content is offered, but not essential to the game. A good balance between adult and non-adult elements can enahcne these games, and in my opinion make the difference between good and bad adult games, very often. That stated, a million and one ways to skin a cat, and loving the progress on the game so far. As a side note, and not particularly helpful to your current quary for your own game right now, I've always thought there should be more multi-generation adult games . . . still hoping for a lewd Crusaders Kings or some sort of GOT spin off that way someday, but not very many dynasty games out there, and even less with adult elements.
I haven't found very many FMC or dual-protagonist games that are completed. The ones I usually stop playing are either due to relying on kinks or fetishes I'm not into or having virtually no character development or story. The ones that have kept my interest the most whether completed or not have interesting stories with the sexual aspect tied in. Some examples besides BoM that have kept my interest are Steps of Debauchery, A Perfect Marriage, Jessica O'Neil's Hard News, Bright Past, and Royal Switch. I haven't played the latest update of BoM yet, but so far, I'm enjoying the slow burn and appreciate the imagination/fantasy sequence in the shower that provides an early scene with someone other than the FMC's husband without the actual sexual act having taken place, and a choice of whether or not to continue on that path to try to make it real.
I prefer female protagonist games but it's hard to find a good one. Most writers corrupt the FMC too quickly and the game becomes repetitive. It takes a lot of restraint as a writer to keep the FMC from turning into a total slut too quickly while keeping the character interesting and the story engaging until the end. The effort it takes to pull that off might not be worth the reward, so it's easier to just go with a male protagonist 🤷
i aint gay so i dont play a dude in corruption games, simple as that
OK
Depends what you want out of these games I think female Protagonist coruption games are a easy way to get off. but they are also all the same. There is not much differences regarding tropes, Characters, scenes etc. But this is usually thecase with Porn. I never really found a female Protagonist game with a "deep" story or progression. And yeah I also like step of debauchery and the way how they are handle it. I am also a huge fan of a Mother and Wife but here the progression is already too slow and there is no overall plot like I thought it would be in the begnining.
I guess my thoughts are very similar to yours, Novel. I do always return to female protagonist games though as I find them very hot, especially the slow corruption ones. I agree they need a limited life span, but it seems like you have found a good pacing.
Thanks.
The same reasons I stop playing adult games with a male protagonist... Lack of an interesting premise, one-dimensional characters just there for the sex achievement of the MC, no real direction or progress in the story. The best games have a central mystery with interesting characters, multiple story threads, intrigue, humour and surprises. The sex should be the icing on the cake not the cake itself as this quickly becomes boring. The story and its conclusion should be roughly known and planned out before commencement with an idea of how long it will take to reach this goal. The game should end with the mystery resolved and the prime sex achievement attained or not! Male harem games tend to last longer and keep the reader interested longer, because they mirror other game genres in having a series of morea nd more difficult mini bosses leading to the final big boss.
Exactly the only avns I play and support are ones with a real story and the sex is just extra. Leap of Faith Intertwined U4ia Being a Dik Chasing Sunsets And this game As i tell My wife (who actually played leap of faith) these are hallmark movies for men
Pretty much what you have outlined in your statemento agree with, SoD being an exception at the moment, but I do think that will quickly lean to debauchery, rather than any story telling, I think sometimes pressure from a fanbase or even with a development group often ruins games, always some who want to speed run things to the end game, but what then? End games nothing at all other than replay galleries and scenes. So far your game hasn't fallen into the speed running things, and it has longevity because of that, there will be plenty of vocal people saying otherwise lol. I dont mind sandbox, allows a freedom of exploration, only problem is you kinda need extensive content to carry that.
Everything has already been said. And I completely agree with all of you. After a while, the main character loses interest if we go too fast into debauchery, or if she becomes corrupted by too many people. The line between remaining "good" or "letting go" is very thin. However, the player needs to see sex. Novel, you really started the game well. Everything is in place for a gripping adventure. And I think that one possibility to keep the player's interest is perhaps to have a small core of characters around Emma and other characters who appear and disappear. It's an idea. Is it the right one? Is it easy to design? I'm a big gamer. And the games mentioned before are good but indeed Lily and Anna in the long run lose their interest. Only Acts of Debauchery remains attractive. You didn't mention A Wife and a Mother (the best game for me on the market (of the 100 that I played). BoM is at its level. But one thing that risks quickly shortening the life of the game is if Trevor accepts libertinage with his wife.
Merci pour ton commentaire ! Ton idée n’est pas très éloignée de ce que nous avons imaginé.
To be honest, I haven't played many games with a female MC. The few I've played aren't my kind of story; there's either too much blackmail or forced content. And even if there are any good ones, they're usually sandbox, and that's not really my thing. If anyone knows of a good one, feel free to write to me. Oh yeah, or they're just sluts who'll sleep with anyone who shows interest. And if they're in a relationship, I'm against it anyway, regardless of whether they're sluts, blackmailed, or forced.
Agreed
For me, anna exciting affection is a good game, but anna's corruption is too fast. I prefer step of debauchery, more slow, at this point of the development. It's important for me to have a slow corruption, and eventually a choice to cheat on your husband or to be a NTR couple. But, in the same time, i love when the female protagonist choose corruption in her own interest, like Innocence or Money. That's my feelings, and it's important too to me to have a girl who you like to play, with a strong personnality. And you have this with your Emma ! I hope my msg will help you !
Thank you very much for the detailed comment.
Lily of the Valley never got finished anyway as far as I know
Well, it looks like that one was abandoned at some point too.
