HOLOLIVE VTUBER DISCOVERY: Suisei, Moona, Marine, Hakka & Towa
I definitely have some more study to do on these songs! Great recommendations, everyone thanks so much.
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Marine's Unison is definitely one of the more experimental songs and has been a favourite since she released it, and in my opinion highly underappreciated. Glad you got to check it out, and even more so glad that you really enjoyed it. Every single one of Marine's MVs are high value, high production works of art. Some are flat out anime. If you can handle spicy, I'd highly recommend "I'm your Treasure Box" by Hoshou Marine. As a side note, I would love to see you review another highly underappreciated song, it's a cover by Hololive's Hakos Baelz by the name of "A Million Miles Away". It's breathtaking!
I think it is important to note that big vocaloid producers like utsuP, deco,Giga will also produce music for vocalists if they are interested. Many producers in jpop start with vocaloid and eventually form a unit with a vocalist to debut, examples are yoasobi
Marine's name is pronounced the same as we'd pronounce it in English. In Japanese, there is only one consonant that doesn't need to have a trailing vowel sound with it, and that is the "n" sound. So, although her "Romanized" spelling has an "e" at the end, it sounds like "Marin."
Unison is, IMO, Marine's best song, although I hope he reviews "Dead Ma'am's Chest" and "How About Pai Pai Mask?"
I’m sure he’ll do a deep dive sometime soon and get her wild ones and 2 other great ones.
48:50 The grit he is singing here the same when he talks normally. He is the second Puerto Rican guy I know who can scream (first being Will from Lorna Shore). Need a deep dive video of Towa (with heavy bias).
seeing you react to unison is what made me pull the trigger for patreon. I don't have enough money to stick around for long. But seeing how much you liked unison was 100% worth it. It's my favorite hololive song. Has been since it came out. It's just so good. It's groovy, but heartfelt. The beat is strange, but makes you want to move. And marine's voice is beautiful. By the way, Yunomi is credited with the lyrics and composition. They happen to be a favorite EDM artist of mine, even since before this song came out, so I guess it makes sense I would like it.
While you’re here. You should binge as much vtuber reactions as you can
I really enjoy when Tim gets really into the fine details of these songs because it helps me learn so much more as a musician. So I don't mind the long explanations personally haha... I feel like my brain is always thinking about music and singing stuff 24/7 nowadays and how I can be a better and more confident singer myself. Unfortunately that mindset makes it hard for me to spend time with my friends, none of which are really interested in music or VTubers at all so I find myself thinking to alone a lot of the time. Most of the time being me slamming my head against a wall when I feel stuck. Thankfully, these videos and reactions have really help scratched some of the itch I get all the time nowadays. Thanks Tim for these amazing reactions and hope I can continue to learn so much more! ❤️
What a stacked selection of songs, this is fabulous. I knew you'd love Unison! I hope you get the chance to do a full breakdown of that song cause it's really fascinating. I love that it manages to be catchy and so avant-garde at the same time, it's a pretty special one. And YES we need a Moona study session!! High Tide is my favourite song of hers but she's got an amazing singing voice and plenty of music to look into. It's been fun to see you fall into the the vtuber rabbit hole! This world is so big, you could focus on vtuber music every day and never run out of amazing things to discover. Can't wait for the hololive stream on Thursday!
The Japanese side of holostars had a huge cut to their funding and they have to fund a lot of their stuff on their own now. In Japan they don’t really like male vtubers much and get really mad when the Hololive girls do collabs with the holostars guys. People complain here in America, but not as bad. You still see people get really mad at the EN girls for playing games with the guys, but for the most part. The girls that play games with the guys don’t care what the people say. EN lost some funding for some stuff like merch and aren’t invited to some shows they were apart of. They still get their money for songs, and birthday streams and so on. Where on the JP side, they aren’t allowed to use the 3D studio anymore. There is more to it, but that’s just what I remember and I’m sure I’ll be corrected by some other holostar fans on your page. I personally think it’d probably be a better idea to do a holostars deep dive for English and Japanese instead of a live stream. The stars fans are incredibly loyal and the talents are really grateful anytime some reacts to them, so you’ll probably get a good pop on a YouTube video and probably comments from the actual vtubers too. They don’t normally get any reactions on YouTube really either unlike the girls for their songs.
At least on the EN side you have just as many people come to the defense of the boys and their ability to collab with the girls that it really helps off set all the crying the parasocial incels do online. It also helps that the EN girls admonish this behavior somewhat so it doesn't get as much traction as it does on the JP side.
THAT'S MY OSHI THE COOLEST AND CUTEST EXORCIST!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️ While he definitely does a lot of metal influenced songs, he's also done covers that have a softer tone to them (usually dedicated to the Hakkitos haha). Hakka works so hard to share his love of music with his fans and also his colleagues. He's often the one creating vocal guides for group songs or collaborative covers for whoever he happens to be working with. The one notable exception there is the Mephisto cover with ERB, as she actually approached Hakka to collaborate on the cover and organized everything before she even debuted! In regards to Holostars- the Japanese branch has had management downsizing in order to cut costs. This basically means that they have to fund any concerts or songs themselves as opposed to having Cover help with those costs. The English side hasn't seen quite this level of cuts yet, but they are shifting where funding is funneled. An example of this for Hakka is while he didn't release any birthday merchandise this year, he instead put those funds towards doing a mini concert! Regardless of the corporate side of things, all of Holostars are incredibly hard working and doing what they can to roll with the punches. I know I've put in some JP and EN suggestions in the wheel for stream on Thursday, and I hope a few of them pop up for you!
Look a squirrel! Do you mean Risu, don't forget about her Mir//or song where she is doing a duet with Ayunda
Looking forward to that Moona and Marine deep dive 😂. Marine is a crazy good singer. She likes to play into the unseiso Vtuber roll. So, some of her music is kind of wild, but crazy popular and went way up the charts in Japan. It is also still great song and vocals in those songs that are wild too.
Few notes after finishing the whole thing on topics you discussed. YES Vtubers are primarily dominated by women. There are far less female fans who are into anime and games then there are make fans. It's just the way things are. Male vtubers have a bit of a harder time with things despite the fact streaming and content creation is mostly dominated by male figures. On the other side, Kpop is mostly female fans which is why they are mostly dominated by male singers. About parasocial relationships. What you said is the exact line of thinking that causes issues within these parasocial relationships. You think you know me, know my music, know my personality but you in reality you know so very little about me and my life. This isn't inherently a bad thing. It's how we live online. The "problem" is some people take it to far, believing it to be real. Thinking "I know your taste in music, I know your personality on your videos, I know what you like and dislike therefor a I know everything about you and we are as close as real brothers" type of thing. This is particularly bad with female creators as it very often and very quickly reaches stalker levels. This get scary when you realize, these are just normal, everyday people. They aren't celebrities with security details following them around. You can just accidentally run into them at the gas station. This is why Vtubers try to put as much emphasis as possible on the anonymity thing. Hell we had 1 Vtuber, she received a gift from a fan, normal thing that happens but turned out it had a gps tracker in it. They tried breaking into her home WHILE she was streaming so they knew she was there. That was crazy.
if People want to recommends Hololive/Holostars songs for the stream on Thursday here is the form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdKwln7ioR4Ec0oiU7elhlcVGdC2vnryyBQTI_HkhukA0fHcg/viewform here is the spreadsheet if you want to check which songs are on the list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i3tZ5fK-gXQDFaWGIuCRJyMpRTu_01hM-1skgCwcO3w/edit?usp=sharing A wheel will decide randomly which songs get selected
Marine almost exclusively commissions Iosys to make her music. You have checked out nerissa's oyomaholic which was also done by them. They make a lot of dempa style music.
ALSO Marine is Ado's favorite Vtuber. She specifically did a project producing a song for Vtubers so she had an excuse to meet Marine.
Moona's lore plays a bit into that MV. Her lore is she is just a normal college girl was born with 2 souls within her who constantly fight for dominance. 1 is her own soul (Moona) and then other the soul of the goddess of the moon (Hoshinova). The Goddess of the Moon was bored and lonely alone on the moon watching over earth. So she decided to place her soul into the cycle of reincarnation to join the humans she watched for centuries. Born into the world within Moona the goddess lived and learned along side humans.... Sadly she grew to hate humans for their cruel ways, something she could not witness from her moon. Now she fights for control over Moona's body. If freed she will destroy the world in her wrath. This song High Tide is the battle within. Her newest song Distortion is about Moona agreeing with the goddess and working together with her.
Gotta say that's a very odd song for introducing someone to Houshou Marine lol
We chose unison cause tim likes weird. Also her other songs pair so well together that they are perfect for a deep dive
