Rodrigo Borgia (with Patrick Wyman)
Our favorite historian and host of The Tides of History podcast joins us to ask and answer a question that's been on our minds since we started the show: Are popes mayors? The answer is: Kind of!
To do so, we talk through the Pope's very mayor-like role during specifically the Renaissance, and the most mayor-like pope of them all, Rodrigo Borgia aka Pope Alexander VI. Now pull out your sword, and get to stabbin'!
Also, if you're on the west coast of America, why not catch Mattie on tour next week!
Comments (39)
Of coarse November assumed it's a swingers thing, lol.
I misheard "the papacy is the juice" as "the papacy is the Jews" and thought this was some hardline Baptist reference of something, lol.
It's important to know that every time a Cardinals "nephew" is mentioned, that's not their nephew, that's their illegitimate son.
It's hilarious how the family beef in Romeo and Juliet is not at all an exaggeration for how life was like in Italy at that time.
God this guest is such a nerd🙄
He fits with the pod perfectly.
"Imagine you're building a golden dome"
your own. personal. simony
relistening to this today in celebration of the new pope
The look of shock on my face when November casually mentions the Legionaries of Christ who ran the school I went to from 8th grade to 12th----great episode. Going to listen to Patrick's podcast now
Oh wow can't wait for the next municipal roundup. Mayors truly are teflon and Istanbul is always the first stop.
So there's been a lot of extra mayoral media appearances logged in the podcast so far, would you say that being the villain of an Assassin's Creed game is higher on the hierarchy than a guest spot on CHIPS but lower than a Turkish romantic comedy?
Northernmost Caribbean City is a nickname that already belongs to New Orleans. I nearly threw my Walkman across the gym when Patrick said that about Miami
Mussolini could have been a mayor, but he performed badly at the poles
All these boomer economists writing articles about how millennials are killing the stout trading ship industry
so I google this guy after hearing the description, and the actors they had played him look nothing like the descriptions. *laughs*
This new knowledge is putting Romeo and Juliet in a new light for me now. Italians were just doing that shit in the Renaissance huh
🎵let’s have a conclave/ A conclave motherfucker/ I’m gonna make you Pope/ Let’s have a conclave/ Uh huh🎶
Well I would say right up till the early modern period a bishop was analogous to a contemporary mayor and since the pope is bishop of Rome this tracks
Also considering that puppet state he was in charge of before his death I would say Mussolini counts as a mayor too
Wait, wasn’t the constantian gift a fake document?
You are aware the root 'nepos' literally means nephew...?
I love that Patrick was given an outlet to discuss how insane the Renaissance was.
nepheudalism
Just had a searing mental image of a talented Brescian gunmaker getting mad at someone, constructing a makeshift musket within seconds, shooting the guy, throwing the gun into a river, dusting his hands, and walking away
I think the football player y'all were thinking of is Antonio Cromartie. He has 14 known kids and an unknown amount out there
finally have some expertise to add to an episode: pour one out for rodrigo borgia who died of malaria, very sad, not mentioned in the episode, etc
Did not realize that the Pope being in Avignon effectively restored the Roman Republic.
So now that we figured out that popes aren't mayor's because of various reasons I raise the question: what about bishops?
The holy Roman prince bishops are definitely mayors.
"A Pope's nephew dies twice; the second time like all men, the first time when his uncle dies."
Well if fictional mayors are on the table, I'd like to submit The Mayor from Homestuck
Great early career with Can Town, but his later political endorsements were naïve.
Crack is derived from Coca, coca was a favored additive to papal wine. Egyptians weren't doing crack, they were doing Zoroastrian Haoma ie Meth USA Rome is Salt Lake City (theocratic, has imperial ambitions, cyclopean architecture, very clique-y elite, polytheist, unfriendly to Catholicism, built among hills) Wait... the donation of Constantine is a 9th century document. It isn't late antique in the least Edit: omg yes fucking Christ's Legion. prosperity gospel evangelical calvinism but Catholic
May I introduce you to Simony 3.0; we have crypts, we have non fungible relics, we have the mitre verse
The Nate Bethea extended universe is mostly befuddling history riffs and Patrick Wyman guest appearances now. I couldn't be more happy.
No Patrick on MOOD this week: 😾 Yes Patrick on NGNM this week: 😻
Surely this is a slippery slope that lets you do everyone from Lee Kwan Yew to Sulla?
3 AM going back for more mayor hell yeah
