WOTM: Stand Up!

TOUCHE', Brian you nailed it (and him)! And, while it may be preaching to the choir, and presumptive of me in borrowing (hijacking?) your pulpit LOL here's a sort relevant excerpt from one of my essays; ‘Without falling into the trap of moral relativism it is clear to any modern person that BOTH the bible and the quran are primitive attempts by iron age misogynistic patriarchs of a illiterate nomadic tribes to misuse religion to promote their own dictatorial control and force their will on the ignorant. There is no doubt the medieval Popes who fomented the crusades and burned heretics at the stake are no less evil than modern Imams who preach Jihad , mutilation, and various terrible deaths by stoning or beheading. Yes, like modern Muslims, even these medieval Christian zealots supported, (Hell, required) the killing of apostates! We of the “Christian West” must face the fact that these christian crimes were indeed committed. We can at least pat congratulate ourselves (smugly in our own judgmental was LOL) that these act were committed, in the main, hundreds of years ago, NOT TODAY! Yet, in this modern era Wahhabi Imams demand the same faith based atrocities. Still, they are no less vile than today's American preachers who advocate hate and intolerance Christian fundamentalist zealots who want biblical law and the 10 commandments in the courthouse are no different than Muslim who desire Sharia law. They are both misguided religious bigots, but in only Islam are they not considered as fringe lunatics. Importantly, the relevant difference is that NO modern christian nation would allow civil law and the legal rights of their citizens to be subverted or limited by this type of hateful religious fanatical bigotry. Hateful ideology that could only be envisioned by the same Chthonic minds that could conceive of such a creation as Hell itself. Until Islam, and Muslims alike, are dragged, kicking and screaming, out of the dark ages, nothing will change. ‘ "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think"

I just nderstand your point about who seems to be doing more and certainly bigger acts, but don't ignore the Christian threat. They go for the abortion clinics and targeted assassinations (think Dr. Tiller/Tillman?) so instead of the mass casualties and the big splash in the news, there's a small body count and a blip in the 24 hour news cycle. One last thing, (I'd hate to leave anyone out and both sides feel that they do their terrorism in self defense) is the Isreali/ Palestinian conflict where the Palestinians lob small bombs indiscriminately into Isreali civilian neighborhoods, and the Isreali Army drop targetable bombs in Palestinian neighborhoods and hospitals. (It was less than a hundred years ago that Mr. Begin was busy bombing hotels to agitate the British for a homeland.)They both aim for inflicting maximum damage and casualties. None of the Abrahamics are any better or worse than the others, they all want to kill or convert everyone who doesn't think, feel and act as they do. Certainly, we need to give that sliver of Islam extra scrutiny as they are, momentarily, a more immediate threat, but when they're gone (or reduced to less of a threat), one of the others will take over the mass murder industry. Back when I was a serious believer, I learned that "There is no way to Peace, Peace is the way" (I still believe that). As I said before, portions of the Christian leadership are calling on Christians to do the exact same act. Omar Mateen just happened to beat the Christian militia movement to it. But the militia movements aren't going to stay hidden in their woods forever. Christians are not that "tempered" and Swanson is far from the only Christian authority trying to undo the "tempering". We ignore them at our peril.

Yes but Islamism still needs to to undergo a reformation that Christianity and Judaism have already undergone.

Great vid. Kevin Swanson is human waste.

What is it that creates such a glaring blind spot in people such as Mr. Cruz and others who are so positive they have the only knowledge of "god's" will and yet ignore, gloss over and minimize the calls from the "leaders" of some of the most repressive interpretations of the Abrahamic faiths when they call publicly for exactly what happened yesterday in Orlando? Arrogance? Cognitive dissonance? Selective morality? Willful ignorance that they worship the same God as the Hebrews and Muslims? One thing that really annoys me is people such as Bill Maher, who seem to have set up a hierarchy of faiths whereby Christianity is not as bad as Islam even though a large swath of fundamentalist Christians secretly cheer on the terrorists for doing what their leaders call on them to do. Or maybe I just have completely wrong, I don't know, but it seems like it.