Severance 2x10 Reaction
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Sopranos, when?
This was a phenomenally empathetic reaction. killed it
the discourse around this finale has been very annoying and the takes i've been seeing have been very brain dead which is why i love this reaction and you both it feels like a breath of fresh hair. like yes we love all the characters but the show surrounds the innies and i will always root for them even if their fate is non existence i loved that for once they had the chance to choose themself. and ty for recognizing how selfless helly has been and how she has every right to try and fight for herself. out of any character in this show, her and gemma both have that right.
You guys really understood innie Mark's dilemma from the first scene. I really appreciate that. It's kind of crazy how many people just blindly supported oMark and only oMark.
I’ve always wondered since season 1 how will they solve the issue of what happens to the innies if they defeat Lumon
"I do not love my daughter. I used to see Kier in her, but it left as she grew" I think this implies that Helena used to be Helly in personality and temperament, but through years of abuse and control by Jame, she slowly became a shell of what she once was. Her innie is very similar to Dylan's, in that it's what their true selves are without their outie's baggage and trauma. Helena is Helly, and that's what's tragic about it.
Honestly it never sat right with me that people are so eager for Helly to sacrifice herself to save Gemma, and I'm glad the finale addressed this in a way. Innies are people, not means to an end.
love transcends severance ❤️ That Gemma’s innie, who had only existed for like 30 minutes of life for Cold Harbor, to disassemble a crib, decided to trust a man she didn’t know who was covered in blood and held out his hand, telling her he was her husband and to come with her while voices were saying he was going to hurt her (also, it was good he didn’t just grab her but gently told her to come with because that’s what helped with the trust lol). Something deep inside said that this is a man to be trusted. That Irving (in the previous episode) knows the love he feels for Burt is there deep down, and vice versa, even if both are severed from it, and Burt will risk his life for it because for the innocent part of him to fall in love it was all worth it, even without remembering.
Except it doesn't I guess... see iMark
You guys should watch The Pitt
I remember thinking in the interim between Season 1 or Season 2 how perfect a song ‘Windmills of your Mind’ would be to use in this show, so when it was used here in the finale I was stunlocked lol. What an amazing finale to one of the best seasons of a show I’ve seen. That’s two for two so far, if they can maintain this level of quality, Severance will be going down as one of the best shows of the decade easily.
top 3 score moments of the show for me!
Blown away by the ending they arrived at for Mark & Gemma & Helly here (and the riff on Orpheus & Eurydice), even if the groundwork in the previous few episodes imo was a little... inelegant. The idea that iMark and oMark would be at odds caught me by surprise, but it's so obvious and such a natural extension of the themes of the show. Mix in a heist sequence and you've got a hell of a finale there. Great performances by all of them, too. It's awesome to see Adam Scott nail this dramatic material. Not feeling as positive about the other big ending in the episode. I loved Dylan and Milchick's stories this season, but both of them were kind of abandoned in the finale, no? Dylan went through all that heartbreak just to end up, essentially, in the same place as the end of Season 1, telling his boss to fuck himself. And the Milchick-bristles-under-Lumon's-microagressions stuff doesn't square up with his throwing himself at a vending machine for The Cause. I don't know... It just felt like, instead of tying *everything* together, they sidelined all of that so the characters could serve the main story. Some lingering ~mysteries~ and questions for me: Where is the control console that can turn on/off the Innies that they hi-jacked last season? Wasn't that room torn down to build Dylan's family visitation area? Mark says he has finished 24 files (25 now) and Gemma visited 24 rooms (25 including Cold Harbor), so why did Dylan and Helly's "Tumwater" and "Siena" files show up as rooms on the testing floor? And what exactly made Gemma's 25th innie so important? Lumon was treating this like one of most important days in human history. (They are a cult, granted.) But what makes 25 innies more important than 24?
There are 24 different combinations of 4 values (the tempers), +1 would be the absence of all 4 - hence the 25 files
My solution for both Marks to be happy (not what I think will happen in the show). Gemma escapes and with the help of Devon and Cobel, they expose lumon. Lumon has to cease all operations. Legislation gets passed declaring innies as people, and everyone who is severed has the chance to reintegrate, but both the innie and outie must agree. Otherwise, the severed person’s body is treated like a child in a divorce, and must be split between both personalities. I’m not sure who would control switching the two but that’s a minor detail 😂
Places like the birthing cabin can be used to have both people “live” their separate lives. I’m just playing along cuz I too don’t think this will happen and also if I think any harder about it, it’s unethical — to do things like have a relationship, have sex with one person and then have the body of the other is unethical to both “yourself” and the person who you’re with (do we really see Gemma or Helly agreeing to having Mark sleeping with the other one half the time just because it’s the “other” Mark?) anyway, thematically for the show, the psychological lesson I think is that reintegration must happen because severance is a metaphor for how we split our conscious self and subconscious for things like work and personal life and also for things like trauma (obviously in Mark’s case), so the goal should be to work through that trauma and become one person, even though it will cause pain to face that.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2025-03-21/severance-season-2-finale-explained-mark-helly-gemma A great interview from LA times. I love how Britt Lower's explanation of Helly R in the end instead of some people's speculation of somehow that was Helena in the hallway running away with innie Mark. If it's Helena in the end, then we are gonna have the same setup as the beginning of season 2 and I feel like it lessens the character development of Helly and takes away her agency a bit. Helly didn't force Mark to choose because I felt like innie Mark was gonna stay regardless Helly appeared at that moment or not. The innies are "growing up" and evolving compared to the beginning of season 1. As for prediction of season 3, I'm curious whether Hely/Helena will show signs of pregnancy in season 3, and complicate the situation even further. Especially when Gemma couldn't have child with Mark as we saw in the flashback.
I always thought it was Helly in the hallway, and it helps to know Dan Erickson didn’t want to show her in the hallway at first so that it gave innie Mark more agency (that he made this decision for himself, not that Helly pushed him into it) but Ben Stiller thought it would look better for the scene, and note that Helly didn’t push him to come or anything… I really hope they don’t do the pregnancy storyline. I personally think it would cheapen the high caliber of the show so far and give it a telenovela trope feel - “has sex once/twice and immediately gets pregnant” just feels so cheap to me, idk. Also it would feel unnecessarily cruel to Gemma because of her infertility wherein it would make it hard to root for Mark and Helly for me - because Helena is daughter of CEO of Lumon, Lumon was involved in the infertility clinic, now Helena would also be pregnant with the baby Gemma could never have, and Helena already did it in a sexually violating way to Mark in the first place, I don’t know, it would really put a damper on a redemption arc I could see for her…
While I largely loved this season and where our characters are heading, one writing decision this episode really got under my skin: PETEY. In two ways. First, iMark asks how reintegration works and oMark was directly given this answer by Petey in Season 1. "It’s like having two different lives suddenly stitched together. But the relativity’s fucked. So, my first day at Lumon’s as far back as my fifth birthday." It's odd to not have this knowledge referenced or communicate to the audience that Mark's reintegration will possibly be different so expectations can be managed. The other way is even more egregious. Petey has only been dead a month and oMark knows what he meant to his innie. How could he not talk to iMark about Petey? He has no clue to his friend's fate or anything. You could read this as yet another example of oMark being so caught up in his life that he doesn't see his innie as complete (Heleny), but Peter Kilmer had an important effect on oMark, as well. This was a big miss for me. It makes the cabin scenes far weaker than they should have been, in my opinion.
I don't think that "Hey, remember Petey? He died because of reintegration, the thing I'm promising to do to you" is a particularly persuasive argument. (It is weird that we went an entire season without mentioning that character though.)
The crib from the episode 7 backstory was labeled Cold Harbor. Lumon is staffed by DEMONS
Cold Harbor, while still imperfect, was completed and we cannot ignore iMark pressing Cobel: "What are you doing here...really?". Harmony has just made herself EXTREMELY valuable to Lumon now that they are forced to realize they still need her expertise to proceed
I don't disagree with the overall concept of what you're saying but also Cold Harbor was a failure. The chip failed to block the instinctual feelings Gemma had for Mark for her to be able to trust him
Okay last comment but there's just something so beautiful and romantic about two people running to nowhere, knowing they could die at any minute, but being happy because they're together, and wanting to at least die together. That's why I can't with people saying, "where are they going??" THATS NOT THE POINT!
Agreed. How lucky are they to have this, even if they get nothing else. It's such a long sequence at the end and I still find myself wishing it was longer.
Btw "you'll kill them all" is referring to Gemma's innies. Remember that creepy guy was obsessed with them. But it does remind us that 25 innies died for Gemma to escape. I've seen some people saying that it's merciful, and while it's better than being tortured, i do think it's still a tragedy. People watching the show are always more comfortable with the idea of the innies dying, a bias as a result of the outies existing first. But i will never agree with the idea that they're inherently less just because of the order or nature of their "birth". If you truly think they're equally human, why do you think they should be the ones to be "shut off" to take down lumon? Why not the outies die and the innies get to experience life? Edit: i do think reintegration is the most ethical route, but it's still a bit frustrating how unfair it is to the consciousness that has been alive for a short time. It must feel so unequal.
I think it’s cuz when watching the show. WE are the outties. We’ve lived long lives. Sometimes it’s harder to step outside yourself and imagine you giving up your life for someone who looks like you but has been around for a shorter amount of time. And I can’t blame them either. Either way at the end of the day lumon is the enemy and they have to go down
oMark literally pulling the same exact move on iMark that Helena pulled on him lol "Hanna" "Gemma" "Heleny" "It's Helly" I can't with how manipulative oMark was throughout that cabin scene. It's crazy how cruel it is to lie about continuing to reintegrate to a man who you have been consistently told by other people that you're enslaving for your own emotional convenience. I always had sympathy for him but in that scene? I lost a significant amount of it. I wonder if it will finally click for him that iMark is an actual human in s3. It's interesting that in s2 Helly and Helena are understanding each other more and more despite being on opposite ends, while Mark(s) are going further apart despite reintegrating and having the same goal in saving Gemma. Helena lived in Helly's shoes, and Helly meeting Jame helped her accept Helena more ("i'm her"). Whereas Mark already felt like he was part of his outie and felt almost subservient to him, and by the end of the season he's affirming his own autonomy. Dan (the creator) mentioned that the season began with Mark running to find Ms Casey because he still felt subservient (i don't think that's the word he used but smth along those lines) to his outie, but by the end he's running with Helly because he's come into his own and found his agency, and i just adore that arc. I wonder if in the beginning of next season, the innies will be in control of the building (their floor)? I mean, there seems to be 5 non-severed employees on the severed floor LOL. Mr Milchick is already outnumbered, Drummond is dead, the two doctors (?) downstairs, and jame in some random room. Maybe they can get into the control room? I really hope next season dives into Helena. Especially since she's seemingly gonna take the place of an innie, because Jame wants to replace her with Helly. Honestly, what a tragic character.
Since episode 4, I've been of the opinion that Helena/Helly are the most interesting reintegration subjects and I can actually see it happening.
No way. A reaction from people who understand the show instead of blindly hating innie Mark for not going through that door and hating the ending while thinking it was Helena at the end. Say it ain't so.
thats why they are the best
We need to reconsider the throuple idea.
season 2 episode 1: "Throuple?! Hahaha how ridiculous!" season 2 episode 10: "...Wait a second... now, hear me out..."
The “Yeh That’s right, He chose ME!” glance Helly gave Gemma just before she ran away with Mark was cold asf. So much for the “Helly is never cruel” persona 😂
Remember, in season 1 she told Mark "I could not, with a razor to my throat, be less interested in being your family". There is a difference between mean and cruel, I saw her look as more of a disdain than cruelty, she's come to despise outties.
once again a top tier discussion by lola and milena... def the most emotionally mature/accurate I've seen for the finale. It's still astonishing how nuanced their sentences are given english is their second language. Ugh the wait for S3 is gonna be torture. 'May we meet again', loved watching Severance with you girls <3
Such a tragic ending for Gemma but incredibly romantic by innie Mark who has no idea what's gonna happen next or even if he will live past the next 10 minutes but decides fuck it I love Helly so whatever happens next I'm doing it with her. This show knows how to do finales and specifically final scenes so well. The "she's alive!" scream was stuck in my head forever and now the still frame of Helly and Mark running through the hall is burned in there as well. Also suggestion for future reaction is the netflix mini-series Adolescence. I know the schedule is packed with Invincible and Last of Us coming up but its only a 4 episode series that would make for a interesting reaction.
YESS THE BIO!! I knew you guys would get it. Healing from the nightmare that was this fandoms hatred for the innies after this episode.
I feel you on a spiritual level. But it was only the vocal minority that had that reaction. The majority of fans and especially critics (based on the reviews and ratings it got) loved the finale! That's what gives me peace on it.
I feel awful for Gemma, but I do also sympathize with Mark S at the end. When the moment comes, he simply doesn't want to step through a doorway that very well might kill him instantly. And not only kill him, but possibly everyone else he knows (if his Outie takes down Lumon). If we accept that Mark S is a full human being who deserves rights and autonomy, and we accept that his needs and feelings are real, then it's easy to understand why he chose not to give up the love of his life for the sake of someone else's "happy ending." also britt lower said that look at end where's she looking at gemma is her first time sensing emphany towards an outtie it's rough decision she told him to leave but he did not want to go, 10 minutes together or ten years together - whatever they can get, they will take. It doesn’t matter to where they are running but whom they are running with. iMark owed oMark nothing when it comes to his choice finally - he is a person too (this is what the show was all along). As an audience I love this show for the innes :) but can’t wait for the ACTUAL MDR Uprising - foreshadowing they just take over the severed floor their own community.
Who suffered more? Gemma? Or Jesus?
Ms Casey
honestly even if we never got s3 i’d be surprisingly satisfied with this as the ending. unanswered questions and all it’s haunting and poignant in a weird 70’s sci fi movie kind of manner
I agree, it is an unsatisfying ending but in a good way, it leaves you grieving but understanding. That said I'm obviously happy we'll get more.
INNIES RIGHTS FOREVER!!! MARK S. DID NOTHING WRONG!!
Ahh let the suffering begin
FINALLY LETS GOOO
It's go time
Must've been a nightmare edit. Get some sleep! (Solid thumbnail)
literally posting this from my bed cause it took ages to upload
