Arcane 2x06 Reaction
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I feel bad for these girls. Their community is just a bunch of people complaining. Lol this comment section is very mainstream social media.
I love that y'all were curious about what Jayce saw that drives him to confront Viktor. I've watched some reactions and everyone gets soo angry at Jayce.
I guess call me crazy a second time. But why is jinx like off limits to having bad things happen to her? She lost vander and her friends because of a mistake she made. Don’t really blame her for that but vi lost those people as well. Either way that stinks for sure. Then what, she killed silco. He didn’t die falling from a high building, or get shot by Caitlyn or killed by Vi’s power glove, she shot him to protect her sister. That sucks for her as a character to do that, but the show didn’t rip something away from her or something. She did that. I guess I’m just not seeing where she is getting everyone taken away from her. Is Vi not going through a similar set of losses, same with Caitlyn, same with ekko. To me it seems the loss is fairly spread around. This is a dark show. Everyone is losing, even when it seems like they have won. And again, may be I’m just crazy or heartless or something. But that’s just the way I looks at it.
I guess call me crazy. But I’m fine with being manipulated. This is a story. The second we saw iisha we knew what was going to happen. And it was just all about can she make an impact on our characters and the the sTory before hand. And the answer to that is a resounding yes. Was manipulated into feeling these feelings of sadness for her loss. Absolutely. That’s story telling. May be I’m heartless or something, I don’t know, but a kid dying in a tv show is a great way for me to feel emotions. I mean hell, the first 20 minutes of last of us is just a big manipulation, and it’s fantastic story telling for Joel going forward. So I mean if this little amazing super hero of a girl needs to sacrifice herself to save her big sister and her new family, then that’s what needs to happen. And the song was outstanding. And I saw someone else mention it, but the fact it was in a language I didn’t understand really made me feel like iisha in that moment considering she was mute. It was fantastic. This show is pretty amazing.
Also the idea that ishas death makes sense because it was foreshadowed is insane because then I can write any story with any foreshadowing and expect people to be fine just because I told the audience what to expect???? You can still write poorly with foreshadowing
I do have many issues with Isha's death and honestly character overall. This is one of the main issues I had with this season but there was more. The thing that angered me about her death was what you ladies had mentioned was that it just felt like another way to punish Jinx, it honestly felt egregious to me at this point that Jinx had to lose yet ANOTHER person she was close to and I honestly couldn't figure out the reason why. It made her entire character to me seem like a cheap ploy to pull on our heartstrings but in the end I didn't really get sad at her death, I was just angry. Caitlyn switching as fast as she did was also heavily rushed for me because with as extreme as she went with turning Zaun into a police state, I guess I needed something more for her to snap back instead of just Vi's half alive adoptive father being the monster she was hunting. Like if she had a Jayce moment in 1x08 when he killed a kid and was horrified, THAT would have made sense to me, this however did not. Can't wait for next episodes reaction though, episode 7 is one of my favorite episodes in this season and the only episode in Act 3 I actually liked.
Thanks, I hate it.
I appreciated the writing because it pushes jinx in a new direction. Jinx was denying the person she became all throughout her life to run away and play house which would not have been a satisfying end for me. Jinx needs to face her past and deal with it. Isha recreating what powder did in s1ep3 forces jinx to confront it all, for better or worse. Jinx gets to relive s1ep3 from vi's perspective, being the older sister who is trying to stop her overzelous little sister. now all that said... its totally reasonable to be pissed at the creators for using isha's death but we have known they are some ruthless bastards for some time now XD
I will say Isha's death was foreshadowed pretty much since we've known her. Getting in between vi and jinx and jumping on the Noxian in ep 4. It's fucking tragic but its clearly a play on Powder in ep 3 of the first season. Jinx and Isha's relationship wasn't healthy. Its like you guys mentioned in Season 1 regarding SIlco and Jinx's relationship. I get the frustration but in my opinion its expertly done.
Cait’s turn this episode was also just ridiculous to me. I hate how “subtle” her shift was in earlier episodes, it made this sudden turn to redemption feel unearned. I love this show, despite how much i keep complaining about it. I just think it needed way more time and there were a bunch of choices made that were a mistake.
Cait was already turning by Ep4 even. So there is a whole 'dictator Cait' arc that they tried to sum up in a 30s montage at the start of Ep4 before the Maddie + Cait shock reveal which just didn't really work. Even with Maddie she was already saying she doesn't like where this is going. And then argues with Ambessa in the next scene about peace being the justification for violence. We just skipped past the part where Cait is on board with Ambessa and does some morally questionable things which she then regrets. This middle section here is where I think they should have had an extra act of Cait does bad things, Cait realizes she's in over her head, Cait runs into Vi and realizes the error of her ways.
Isha’s ridiculous useless death just reaffirms my belief that she was not needed as a character. The next logical step for Jinx’s character after 1x09 is for her to get worse. They rushed through that part in act 1 of s2, then decided to give her something to live for??? Then made her suicidal again??? Just such a weird way to structure her arc. Before the season came out, a tweet about isha went viral which said “have you ever seen a character so obviously created just to die” and that’s what always bugged me about her. She was never truly a character, just a tool to emotionally manipulate the audience. She’s got nothing outside of Jinx. She loves Jinx, she looks up to Jinx, she dies for Jinx. There are no other facets to her character.
I agree with you. Isha was not needed. Silcos death was right there, Jinx does not need more traumatic events she already has more then enough to work with her character. I was extremely confused by how stable Jinx suddenly was, she does not really here voices anymore? I just feel a dissconection to her character from the first season. It feels like they go in circles with her arc.
I have a read about Isha that most people may not share, but I'll be annoying and post it anyway. I also know that stories are written by authors, and while I may resonate with a child taking extreme measures to face danger, I respect that Lola and Milena have opposite takes. I see Isha as Jinx's true believer. She's shown it by being her copycat when Jinx wouldn't fight against an oppressive regime, by showing up at the rally when Jinx wouldn't. Like Sevika, Isha firmly believes in the possibility of a better home through action. Last time Jinx was in trouble, Isha was completely powerless and forced to flee. I don't think there was any way Isha was doing anything else but saving Jinx here. To me, writing a way to forcibly get her to safety would have felt like robbing her of her incredible willpower. Isha is the unyielding hope and conviction to reach for a better tomorrow. She's not Powder, she's Ekko. Lastly, I love that while Ambessa is the one chattering about strength, it is Isha who embodies all four principles in the end.
I think the comments are misunderstanding what you're saying, which is that this is really rough to watch and a huge tragedy and NOT that its bad writing. That being said, I wanna preface the rest of this comment by saying overall your feelings are what matter most and I understand the confusion over Isha's death. I want to try to offer my perspective: that Isha was the Powder to Jinx the way she was to Vi. The most important part of the Jinx/Vi story is the events of S1E3. Vi leaving Powder behind, Powder not understanding, and the ensuing chaos. Jinx DOES understand why Vi didn't come back for her (she got to explain that she was taken by Marcus), but Jinx NEVER understood why Vi left her at home in the first place. This is why. Vi was terrified of losing Powder, and couldn't bring her into the fight. Jinx, living with the pain of that decision, has a completely opposite dynamic with Isha: she essentially lets Isha do whatever she wants. Lets her see the violence, lets her join her on missions (even since S2E3), all because she tries to be the opposite 'big sister' that Vi was. And now, the end of this episode shows her WHY Vi did what she did, which has always been the biggest roadblock in their relationship. Vi left her behind because she was afraid of losing her. Jinx refused to leave Isha behind, and so, lost her, which might finally help her understand her sister. Props if you read the whole comment as I got kinda carried away, but I love this episode and think Isha's character was very meaningful and very important.
This is how I feel about it. I do think that Isha should have maybe had more interactions with other people to feel like more of a full character in her own right, but from a narrative perspective this is exactly why she is here. And when I saw her I knew that was likely the story that would happen, but my predicting it didn't feel like a bad thing. It felt like I was correctly reading the narrative structures. I do understand people feeling differently, but this is where I'm at with it.
That Chinese song wasn't bad, it was just so random and out of place. It killed the scene for me. But Tencent owns Riot Games, so they gotta slide some Chinese shit in there. They get to force their crap on us, but they cut out all intimate scenes between Vi and Cait because their culture is homophobic. LOL
I think Eason Chan made a Chinese theme song for Arcane season 1, so Riot wanna work with him again. I don't know if there's a mandate to slide "some Chinese shit" in season 2. The funny thing is Eason is completely fluent in English. They could totally record two versions of the same song and probably resonates with more audiences because the meaning of song is actually relevant to the scene like those previous songs (Sucker, Hellfire, To Ashes and Blood etc.)
I completely understand why the girls and other people felt upset and angry Isha's death. I also had the same feeling like what was the fucking point, it can't be just for nothing in regards to Jinx's character arc. I had a bit different experience watching the final scene and was bawling my eyes out. They actually released Isha's Song like 10 days before Act 2, and the song heavily implied something bad gonna happen to either Isha or Jinx, so as soon as the music started and Isha started running in the final scene I just lost it lol.
idk but personally every "Isha's death wasn't completely stupid" argument reads to me like denial and copium
You're welcome to feel it is stupid, but interpreting it differently doesn't mean anyone is in denial or holding on to copium. Hell, the girls compared it to AoT in their review, and I always found the way AoT handled character deaths to largely feel unnecessary or that they were there for shock value or to just make a character suffer. Other people feel differently and find meaning in those moments, and that's fine. I think a lot of the discussion in the comments has explained different feelings about all this rather well.
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The entire concept of a child randomly showing up and becoming an integral part of the show was never something that I was a fan of to begin with. It felt like a cheap & cliched way to give Jinx character development.
The chaos of the underground following Silco's death is what brings Isha to Jinx. So in a sense, Jinx's actions bring Isha to her. And then that puts Jinx in the parent/big sister role, sort of like Vi or Silco was to her. This is echoing themes of Season 1 where it was very much parent and child. Vander and Vi, Silco and Jinx.
I'm not feeling Cait. She was right with Ambessa jailing and beating up the zaunites
But that's the point tho, Cait was blinded by her vengeance and Ambessa took advantage of that. I wish they did a bit more in the beginning of Ep4 to show Cait's blind drive to catch Jinx instead of a quick music montage
There's a great video on why Isha did what she did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJK4lovffog
I do enjoy Georgia :)
I sort of agree that I didn't really like Isha's death because it piles misery seemingly unnecessarily. But I think it sort of makes sense for Jinx's arc when seen in its entirety. Jinx has caused a lot of destruction, and Isha was a great way for her to reconnect with her humanity but not all of it. She was never going to have a full redemption arc. That's just not her story. Isha also made a conscious choice here. I know she's a child but she actively chose to sacrifice herself for Jinx and the others.
ok can somebody explain to me cause I feel like this isn't talked about much and it still confuses me what in the world was Cait and Vi's plan cause I can't make any sense of what they were trying to accomplish cause as far as I can tell it did nothing even though a part of it went seemingly went well I feel like these characters have been presented to be smarter then that but maybe I am just too dumb to understand
The idea was to get rid of Singed, who can track Vander, and escape. What's not sitting right with you?
This is my take on Isha’s death The show is very much anti war. The needless death of a child shows that more than anything else. If it was any other character sacrificing themselves it would not have had the same meaning or purpose on what the show is trying to say. The fact that isha was more than happy to do it is one of the saddest things. And I think her characters purpose was to show Jinx how hard it was for Vi to be the big sister in this environment, and for Vi to see Jinx isn’t a complete monster and is actually kinda the opposite.
I couldn't agree more. A lot of people overlook Isha's effect on Vi
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I personally hated Isha's death, what's the point of putting a child in Jinx's life only to later become another important person that she loses? I wonder how much this girl still has to suffer in this life, if she wanted to throw a bomb and end the whole world I would be on her side
Although Isha's death is deepy painful for Jinx, her presence is what made a lot of her character development in arc 2 possible. I saw her death as kind of a final "payment" or consequence to what Jinx did, I mean the way Isha was introduced to her is when she killed 3 people and put the gun to her head. She was clearly inspired by the violence and we get reminded by the show one of the central lesson of a lot of recent fiction : keep the kids out of the forest.
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omg, the notification jumpscared me
oh boy... emotional trauma here we go
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