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September 26, 2020

56. The Space Program (Challenger Disaster)

The organizational culture of the United States space program leads to one of the deadliest disasters in aeronautics history.

Prelude: Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov embarks on a doomed mission to space.

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Comments (33)

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Diane Natale · June 27, 2025

I think you did an excellent job putting this together. I appreciate your many hours of research.

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Jane S · December 12, 2024

I'm reading Adam Higgenbotham's book Challenger right now and realizing that I'm learning nothing new, except for background and details that couldn't fit into a one-hour podcast. I continue to be impressed by ACC's research and delivery. One of the only trusted sources left on this bitch of an Earth.

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Cassandra Lowell · July 15, 2024

My favorite episode. I come back to it every so often.

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Angelina Lucento · December 31, 2020

Best episode. Recommending it to everyone.

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Sondra Escobedo · October 7, 2020

I've listened a couple times and get disgusted by the fact that alot these facts were not known. Smh

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Claire Schofield · October 1, 2020

Great episode, I never knew this and cannot believe the powers that be knew it and let it happen anyway. Usual disgusting human behavior. Thank you for informing me.

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Saché Cox · September 30, 2020

made my stomach hurt! The fact that I never knew this is crazy

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Austen Lockwood · September 29, 2020

Would you kindly have an episode just titled, “Ronald Reagan?”

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Janet Marie · September 29, 2020

I grew up in a town neighboring Webster, TX where the “Houston” base is located. My veteran grandfather and many of his veteran “homies” were HUGE supporters of NASA and the space program. One of them had family who worked there so I would get tons of photos, prints, shirts, and other stuff from him. So much so that I had a folder and drawer full of NASA. When this happened, we sat in silence and I saw a tear run down his face. He never gave me another piece of NASA anything. When the information started leaking about some of the truths, I threw it all in the garbage. Thank you for this. I found it to be so clear and informative. You are amazing at what you do.

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Tulloch · September 29, 2020

Your best work. Outstanding.

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mp · September 28, 2020

I'm all for discussions but if people are going to come on here and get weird on a paid subscription for something please think before bringing antagonizing nonsense here. This world is enough as it is, do the comments on swindled patreon need to be like this?

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mp · September 28, 2020

If you're insulted by this, I urge you to find something more pressing to get offended by.

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Jonas · September 28, 2020

Attention reporter in the clip in the first minute of the episode: Height IS a measurement of distance, you nincompoop.

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Wilma · September 28, 2020

What a story! Put it together with Cautionary Tales podcast #4 “The Deadly Airship Race” to see some disturbing parallels in the systemic and institutional dynamics leading to both the airship and shuttle disasters.

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Stephanie · September 28, 2020

This episode was eerie!! But one of my favs

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KatieK · September 28, 2020

With all due respect, ACC, it feels like you just watched the Netflix documentary, added some extra information, and slapped this together. It's not up to your usual high standards. Maybe I'm not as amazed and awestruck as everyone else because I've heard everything before, but I expect someone with your skill to do more than a surface-level exploration of the disaster. The O-ring explanation is overly simplistic. The culture at Morton Thiokol deserved considerably more attention. The Rogers report didn't go nearly far enough. Most crucially, the Challenger disaster -- and Columbia to an even greater extent -- are how everything came together to produce a result that was virtually inevitable -- not just a technical fault or a poor management culture, but a case study in system failure. Incidentally, Big Bird wasn't seriously considered a contender for a shuttle spot. I just watched the documentary today and it seemed like more of a joke than anything else.

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SWINDLED · September 28, 2020

Does it feel like that? Because I completed the research before the series was even announced and I wrote it before I watched it to avoid such accusations. Obviously, there's going to be some overlap, but I feel like I touched on aspects that the docuseries never even mentioned (i.e. the recovery). You're entitled to your opinion on what I should or should not have included in my podcast (obviously you're very knowledgable on the topic at hand), but after spending close to 80 hours on it, I don't appreciate you saying I "slapped it together".

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Brian S · September 27, 2020

Outstanding, grim storytelling of this preventable, unforgettable tragedy. "...reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - a truth that authority increasingly undermines in this era of message manipulation.

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Jo Mason · September 27, 2020

Thanks for this episode especially, ACC. A topic near to my heart.

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Claire Gysegem · September 27, 2020

Holy shit, man. This is the best one yet. I’m floored. Thank you.

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Angie Mills · September 27, 2020

This was so tragic. The stomach knots kicked in for the prelude and didn't let up for the whole episode. As usual brilliantly researched and delivered, ACC. I strongly recommend AGAINST listening to this while eating dinner. Learn from my mistake, people!

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Jah Siso · September 27, 2020

this was a super scary episode. good for halloween vibes but very sad truth in history

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MBA · September 27, 2020

I'll be honest, the previous episode...wasn't bad, but a narcissistic conman was just a bit underwhelming after everyone else you introduced us to this season. But then you dropped this. Between the Russian prelude, the introduction to the doomed pilots, NASA's disgusting cover up of the manner of death, the unheeded warnings and the PTSD aftermath, this episode is worthy of being a season finale...and you apparently aren't done yet!

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SalBee · September 26, 2020

I was so sad listening to the clip of the engineer talking. I truly hope he found his peace. 😔

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Brendan Meeks · September 26, 2020

Uhhh wtf is with the lady that took the foot and where do I find more information about it because I’m not finding anything

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Cheryl · September 26, 2020

This was a very difficult episode to listen to. I was in high school watching the takeoff live when it exploded. So many strong emotions!! Thank you for this episode. I cried several times listening to it and the clip at the end...just wow!

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Jane S · September 26, 2020

You've really outdone yourself. This story could have devolved into disaster porn, but you were able to tell the full story with dignity. I can't believe I only pay $10 per month for this. Increasing my donation now.

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Nicole D · September 26, 2020

Oh man, that last clip. Great episode, thank you.

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Cindi A Ortiz · September 26, 2020

I have listened to all of the previous episodes of Swindled. This one was the most disturbing. There are too many defective people in this world and they are wiping out far too many of the decent ones.

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Caroline Cruz · September 26, 2020

Man, this is so impressive Swindled! ❤

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Nana G · September 26, 2020

I’m only halfway through but holy crap, this is one of your best in ages. I’m totally horrified/sucked in

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mp · September 26, 2020

Just finished the Netflix series like an hour ago which I insisted on finishing before this was posted. Looking forward to this on my walk tomorrow!!

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Sim Ona · September 26, 2020

Which series is that?