The backpack question

The "front pouch" of a backpack is the pouch one would face first as they're packing it. It has nothing to do with its position while wearing said pack, since you'll never see it that way (or be able to reach anything in it) until you pull it off your back and set it in front of you for unpacking again...

The front pouch in a backpack is not the main pouch.

There is no front . It's a BACKpack

Since in general you can't access much of your pack while wearing it, it is normally used with the frame resting against something and the main pockets facing you....which in that case I'd call the front.

If you can walk around to your back, while the backpack is still on your back, then your truck camper analogy works. A backpack is a tool with a carry mode and a use mode. In carry mode, you utilize the straps. In use mode you turn it around and the pockets face you. The orientation of the pockets of the pack itself are only relevant when the tool is in use mode so they face front, top, L/R side or bottom.

The backpack Kevin is right, but the truck is a failed analogy because its operated from a 3rd person perspective already where the entire body of the truck is positioned one way. The backpack is accessed by removing it and turning it, which causes the first pouch you can access to be the front pouch

I don't use either system, I go get whatever-it-is out of my own backpack instead of having to tell somebody else where it is!

Strap side of backpack is the back, "a" side of the truck is front.

If I place the offending backpack in the bed of a truck against the cab, is it in the front or back of the truck bed? I postulate it is in the back, as I have to "reach all the way *back* there" to retrieve it. Then again, as an engineer, I define the origin for the coordinate system when solving a problem.

hey. that's at least one vote that leftist odd side ain't gonna fake. at least one should think so. then again...

always asume the person acting on a backpack is looking at it from the outlook of the straps being on the far side. as in person getting item for you as your ware it. or backpack is leaned against wall/rock... and the traps are on the side of the item being leaned on

I voted for Kevin's Insanity because given the question as stated IU think it's the best answer, but i agree with those who point out that there is a category error in the question itself: trying to use "front" and "back" is a mistake and instead "large", "main", etc. should be used.

I don't know, but right after I watched the vide, the song Mongoloid by Devo popped into my head and I've been humming it ever since. 😵

In Re: Insanity. You're not paranoid if they are really after you. Agree with the "crazy" one. :-)

Its neither. It is all perspective to how or where you are looking at it. The same with a car. Is the right side the view from in front of the car back to the tailights or viewing the from the taillights forward?

The compartment at your back when wearing the backpack is the "main" compartment, the small one farthest from you when wearing is the "front"

Former camp ranger here and Kevin has this one pegged.

My wife and I argue over this. Othais is right. How could there be any argument?

In the book "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step by Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot" this question comes up a lot with respect to the VW bug's engine, which is in the back. As such, a similar conundrum arises: is the "front" of the engine the part that you see directly in front of you when you open the bonnet, or the part you can't? As I recall, the author subscribes to the Othais philosophy, in that the front of the engine is on the same side as the front of the car, and he reinforces this by repeating "front is front" every time it comes up in the book.

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You're both wrong. The pockets should referenced by size, not location. This eliminates confusion with odd people such as yourselves

The ALICE Pack.... see page 28. http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/AlicePackManual.pdf

As a boy scout with a more than average enthusiasm for my backpack. I'm siding with Kevin.

I like how the poll is totally impartial with the option names 🤣

Back of a washing machine, back of a wardrobe, back of a painting, back of a shelf.... all face the big dense thing on which they're 'hung, as with a backpack on Othias' back. 🙂 Go team Kev! (And I'm guessing Mae is with him on this.. qed.

I say we ask Crozier what he thinks.

Kevin is right. An object's use that you actively think about and see is it's front. When we wear a back pack, we see the pocket side. When we need something from it, we look at the pocket side, unzip or unbutton and search through facing the pockets. When a back pack is displayed in a store, the pocket side is faced toward the customer. Hence the pocket side is the front.

You are both right. While wearing it, the wearer is the point of reference, when you take it off, however, it is defined by the person looking at it. When somebody tries to take something out of a backpack worn by someone else, the backpack referential uncertainty principle kicks in and both are wrong and right at the same time, argument ensues. If this is not resolved within 20 seconds, a black whole is created, swallowing the contents of said backpack.

You're both wrong trying to apply relative naming to an absolute object. ;) Like a ship using port and starboard to unambiguously identify each side regardless of which way you're facing it, for a backpack you've got inner and outer pockets with the outer one being farthest from your back when worn.

I don‘t think the truck analogy applies to a backpack. When you wear a baseball cap backwards the bill is still at the front of the cap, right?

http://marinesinforestgreen.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-pack-us-marine-corps-m1941-pamphlet.html?m=1

I have attached the Marine Corps manual on the M1941 pack. It describes the three flaps which will cover the contents inside. The rear flap, being closest to the user's back, folds over to the front of the back pack. This makes it clear to me that the reference points of a backpack should be discussed when the backpack can be fully utilized off the user's back and looking at it with the straps away from them.

Sorry mate, in news likely to shock the World, Kevin is actually right this time.

I really hate to disagree with Othais on this one, but the backpack is worn back to back with you. That's just how it is, the front pockets face away. The truck is an inaccurate analogy in my opinion. Yes, the rear compartment is the back, because the box of a truck is an integral part. If you put a tool cabinet or something in the back so it could be accessed, you'd have to have the front facing the rear of the truck.

A Bing search (screw google) for front view backpack shows the view of non strap side.

To confuse Kevin even more, ask about how would he categorize hydration packs such as camelbacks where there is a backpack with three or more pockets in sequence, where the bladder pocket is the one closest to the wearer’s back. Ok yeah, how are you naming the side pockets, referencing when worn or when looking at the backpack?

Othias is wrong. 😉 Hey it happens to us all, occasionally. Obviously, in the truck box image, B is the front! 😅

I think of the left and right straps and pockets of a backpack as worn, but have only heard "front pocket" used to refer to the pocket furthest from the wearer.

I knew Othais was pretty tall, but I never realized he could wear a whole pickup truck as a backpack!

In the "not-being-worn" condition the pack has its own orientation separate from the former wearer

One cannot access the backpack with it on, therefore taking it off places the outermost pocket in front. Besides, the back pocket sits on your back when one wears it. It's the "back" pocket!

I agree. Drivers side of the car is always left. The port side is the left side, and the pocket next to your back is the front pocket.

I see this as a non-binary question. In the "being worn" the pack partakes of the wearer's orientation.

You're both wrong. When you take off a backpack and lay it down, the pocket is the top pocket. And the pocket closest to your head when wearing said backpack is the top pocket as well. So there is a top top pocket, a middle top pocket, a top middle pocket, and so on. Plus left and right, based on side hand when worn. So there's a top left pocket, a left top pocket, etc, etc.

Kevin's insanity is correct. The way I see it, you wear the back of the backpack on your back. Now, say that 10 times really fast!

Having worked on VW's from the 60-70's. The back of the engine has the pulleys to drive the generator. The end of the engine with the flywheel, is the front of the engine. Reference is always done when items are in use. Othais wins.

Let me hit this bowl and get back to you... Ok... So... The front of the backpack is what touches you backs... Front sight is in front, rear sight is rear... Just like holding a gun.

Sorry Othias, Kevin's right. You're argument breaks down in your truck's bed cap becomes an integral part of the truck; your pack does not do the same. Its worn back-to-back... unless you were one of the weird kids that wore yours like a pregnant belly.

I agree with Othais but I think most miss the point and base their perception on how the pack presents itself while accessing it's innards. Sorry Othais. We are morally right but sheeple are gonna sheep Bro.

Poor Othais. He logged out and never logged in again after this disgrace.

Nuff said, Kevin manufacturers agree with you... https://images.app.goo.gl/p54CbUh57vJLMTBL8

It's like a drawer. But I go through it so the pokets face me.

It's your backpack. The front is the side you access when you take it off to get your stuff out of it.

https://images.app.goo.gl/7RCAtYZjhdLjGtQg7

Relative directions relate to people. When it's unclear, use "your" or "my" to disambiguate.

I have never heard anyone refer to the compartment closest to the straps as the "front". Generally speaking, one has to remove a backpack to access it. And when you do, it makes most sense to have the straps furthest from you so you have easy access to all the pockets. Therefore, the compartment closest to the straps is the "back"

https://images.app.goo.gl/PFES5JtySLb2Wu8i7

I don't use front and back, I just use sizes, unless it has a pocket that zips from say like along the entire left side only, then that's the weird left side pocket thing.

Hold on, what’s a backpack?

I have to say something I've never lost sleep over. I voted with Othais because... he's Othais.

I'll have to repeat my entry from yesterday. Main bag, small bag, side pockets, top flap pocket. They should be named so there is no need for explanation. If you ask for a tourniquet from the 'back pocket' you shouldn't have to explain which pocket that is.

You carry your backpack back to back so to speak. The front is facing away from you when you're carrying it.

A related example is an engine. The front of the engine is where the accessories are mounted. On most front wheel drive and transverse mounted engines this is to the right side of the vehicle. With many rear mounted engines that makes the front of the engine point to the rear. For a backpack, because a person is intended to interact with the bag oriented with the straps away, the backpack faces to the rear when worn. Kevin is correct.

My name is Kevin but I must disagree with him. You cannot name backpack parts like the parts of a ship (fore aft Port Starboard). You ride a ship, you wear a backpack.

The back of the backpack touches the user's back. The left/right of the pack is inverse however. While facing the front (outside) of the pack, a pouch on your right is the right side of the pack while the front is facing your right. Front [pack]Back Back[wearer]Front

Manufacturers refer to the front pocket as the small one. E.G. https://www.montblanc.com/en-us/backpacks_cod19325877437076262.html#mbProductTabs

Othias is 100% right (or back.) A BACKpack should be referenced to its position on the back. When you put things together it almost always front to back, so the front of the backpack goes to the back of the person.

I agree with Kevin. It's like how mechanics refer to the drivers side of a front engine bay as engine-right; it's all about how it is commonly accessed

Well, both Kevin and Othais are completely loony (ref - the "it's a trap" and the "Ian Can't Othais' series). This time, Kevin's insane opinion is more correct than Othais' completely nuts opinion.

Mae, please smack Othais for being an idiot.

I had to think about, and started off on team Othias, but when they’re displayed the side you see/care about should be the front, and I just can’t imagine rows of backpacks being displayed straps first.

The spine of the backpack; i.e the part that rests against the wearer's own spine, should generally be considered the "back" of the backpack. Thus, the adjoining pockets are defined relative to the spine of the backpack. Thus, the "front" of the backpack is the part furthest away from the wearer, at least while it is being worn.

Appalachian Trail Thru Hiker class of 2015. If you need something from your pack you can't reach, you ask for it from the front pocket of your pack by reference of the person looking at it.

You only interact with the backpack when it is off your person. All relative front/back references are made from this perspective. That said, most backpacks have a main compartment, then ancillary outside pouches and pockets.

The front/back of a backpack is relative to when you are accessing it, not relative to it’s position as it relates to use.

I read this question out loud and omitted the names and my partner was able to determine it was from C&Rsenal with two questions.

DORSAL AND VENTRAL I SAY!

Both. Othias is right about the orientation of the backpack and the small pockets on the back of the backpack when worn are still the front pockets.

I gotta take a stand with Othias on this issue.. it’s always by the person wearing it position. Like in a vehicle. All positions are referenced from if a driver is sitting in it

When you put a backpack down you face it to get stuff in and out so that's the front. So, Kevin is sane and Othais is insane......

Sorry, I'd have to say it's based on when you access it, not when you wear it

It's context sensitive. The position of the pocket depends on if the backpack is currently being worn.

It's like in aircraft where all things are in reference to the pilot's seat. If it's behind you, it's behind you and the pockets should be numbered from the one closest to the wearer to the farthest. Unless you're some sort of monster who wears their "back" pack on their front.

Which pocket contains the hotdog sandwiches?

Pockets should be named by their size and utility. Then orientation becomes unimportant. "Its in the big pocket"

This is one of those.. Dogs looking up things isn't it?

I agree with Kevin's insanity. However, I tend to refer to backpack pockets by size, with largest I've traditionally being the one nearest the back while being written.

A very unbiased vote i see.

You typically access your backpack after you set it down, so the side facing you which would be the 'back' side by your logic would become the front.

Sorry Othias, I blame shoddy logic in my upbringing

The big pocket is against the back. Front pocket is the tiny one furthest from the body.

Othias is correct.