For those of you leaving..
Patreon has recently removed another batch of notable personalities. Some of you support them and some of you don't at all. Please try not to fight each other over it here on this post?
We are always aware that our association with firearms, despite our historical and education approach, makes us vulnerable in the long term with any platform that is sensitive to external pressure.
For anyone curious, Stripe, Mastercard, and Paypal have all put pressure at various times, for various reasons, on payment processors. So even the new SubscribeStar will likely be targeted in the future, although I agree it is worth checking out and will see about setting up an account this week. Regardless of where or how, we should be providing alternative options to our supporters.
So, if you are considering leaving Patreon, please also consider staying put for just 10 more days while I research and get an alternative setup. You're not due to be charged until the end of the month regardless and it will keep you in communication for messages like this. Financial decisions require a clear head and mine is presently full of notes on Montenegro in 4 different languages and a lot of mucus as I've caught cold in the meantime. Just asking for a few days to sort it properly.
Just to be clear: We are looking at setting up an ADDITIONAL platform. This account stays unless something rather severe changes.
In the meantime: here is a passage from an account (I believe in 1905 on this one) of travelling in Montenegro.
Comments (43)
Same here, I'm kinda confused as I use PayPal
Hello C& R folks, I am going to wait for you to find another source besides Patreon Othais. If not I am canceling my patreon account as I will not support a authoritarian organization, I will follow you to another site or put a check in the mail. However I will not use patreon.
Othais some of my other shows are moving to a platform called SubscribeStar. I hope you join it, C&Rsenal is the only thing keeping me on Patreon
First I've heard of Patreon booting creators. Who's gone missing if I'm ok to ask?
Copypasting myself from earlier: Well, Patreon randomly killed a large maker account (SargonOfAkkad, even if you hate him keep reading) along with some others for no violation of the TOS (which only covers actions and posted stuff on patreon's site itself), but instead political reasons (they cite some random shit from a chat that someone else posted to youtube 10 months ago where he uses a "racial slur" to insult white nationalists) by their incredibly orwellian (and appropriately named) "Trust and Safety Department." Drama, in other words, that has upset the stability of patreon as a platform. People are cancelling accounts, switching to alternative sites, and patreon is feeling the heat now.
Whither thou goest...
I'm not going anywhere...
How are your videos and Forgotten weapons related to the people who were kicked off? I am a liberal and appreciate the history that you guys cover.
Currently there is no relation except that a good portion of our base are ready to boycott Patreon for having a political bias. I am NOT saying if this is deserved or not but in order to maintain funding for the show will need to setup on a secondary platform so those users have their choice.
I guess I need to come out from under my rock more often. This is the first I've heard of any problems. Just let us know if there is an alternative to Patreon, I will support C&Arsenal.
Perhaps it is time for a lot of complaints to the FTC against MasterCard, PayPal and others for restraint of trade! These organizations have Absolutely NO business pushing a political agenda!
Fun fact, I think Wells Fargo is like the last bank that'll deal with firearms companies. That only lasts until they put some agenda driven antis in there, which has already started with brain-dead swampmaster Maxine Waters getting a higher up position there recently. Hate to drop politics here, but damn leftists are getting extremely corrosive.
Guarantee this is merely an attack on Patreon from Google/Youtube. They don't like being cut out of the deal. Their creators and viewers all hate them, and it's well enough deserved.
honestly just tell me where to go and how to make sure you get some money each month, I'm only on Patreon for you guys anyway so where ever you go I will follow
As long as Patreon lets me support you guys and there is an absence of another legit payment platform i will be here.
Thank you for addressing the issue, I will be glad to switch to whatever alternative you choose. Please do see if you can get others to create alternative options for people who wish to switch, as well.
If you stay with patreon I'll stay if you go to another service I'll go to the other service, that is true for all the channels I support.
I am confused whats going on. I dont frequent message boards or forums so I genuinely have no idea what anyone is talking about.
Patreon has been banning content creators. C&Rsenal shouldn't be banned but you never know and that's the sticky point.
I plan to stay on Patreon for the creators that stay, while moving as much as I can over to something else.
I will support you guys in one way or another. Frankly, I would like to leave Patreon because of their political agenda but I won't until I can support you and a few other creators from other sources. We need a staunch free speech platform and payment processor... That passage was hilarious by the way, what wonderful customs, if somewhat hazardous!
As long as you can I will support you. As another creator I understand how important Patreon can be to making creative enterprises possible.
With you buddy. Just notify me of new payment method/procedure. Patreon really doesn't want thousands of folks dissing them on message boards, do they ?
I hate the censorship that is going on with a lot of platforms recently. However it will not stop my support of people and projects I want to see succeed.
So long as you are here, I’m here. Where you go I will follow.
And further, if there's anyone needing a diplomatic piece of our collective mind, i.e. as with Bloke's YouTube ban, just give us the where.
Here for you, Bloke, and a personal friend. Not married to this platform in the slightest - just tell us where you're planting tent stakes.
I'm staying for now. I've been waiting for this. I WILL be leaving Patreon. Frankly, It was with great reticence that I joined Patreon in the first place, because I knew this day was coming soon, but it was to support YOU so I knew it was a good cause. I always knew eventually they would come after this channel anyway that they went after Sargon first was a surprise.Othias get another payment processor and let us know when you have and I will follow you there. If that group is scum as well then we'll figure it out. I remain on Patreon for you until you work this out.
Keep up the fight Othias. I would guess a minimum of 90% of us are here to support you and other content creators. It's too bad there isn't a reliable video hosting service and payment method that isn't pushing an agenda outside of free speech.
You has mai sword...
"all the world will be you enemy, prince with a thousand enemies. And whenever they catch you they will kill you, but first they must catch you" Do kids still read Watership Down? Anyway, I'm in as long as you are.
If you leave, leave crumbs so we can find you. I will continue to support
Just let me know where to send the check!
No matter what platform your on you have my support.
Im only here for the c&rsenal, mac, and ian.. 2 movie quotes come to mind "you go.. We go.." and " I will find you... No matter how long.. No matter how far... I will find you.. " both relevant and both true.. obscure quotes.. guesses welcome.. :)
The Last of the Mohicans (1992).
I echo the sentiments of many here... I'm only on Patreon to support you and Ian. If you're no longer here, then neither will I.
I do want to leave because I was subbed to Sargon. But the crap is everywhere, and I care more to donate to your channel than the pennies patreon gets off me. I'd want alternatives to the majority of my channels before I fully abandon the platform, but I care more about the folks I donate to. Y'all are first on my list. A payment platform turning into a biased publisher is second.
As long as you guys, and Ian, are here on Patreon, so will I. I support YOU, so whatever is the best way for me to do that, I will keep on from my end. I could care less about what Patreon does or doesn't do.
Well, hopefully we can give you a choice on HOW to support us.
I'm a bit out of the loop. Who did Patreon kick out?
Presently the big one is Sargon of Akkad and they claim over racial language in a forum outside of Patreon. This is disputed two ways. 1. He was using said language to insult racists. 2. The words mean nothing and he is being targeted for political reasons. C&Rsenal has no official opinion but respects people's choice to vote with their dollar.
As long as you’re here, I’m a supporter.