A Hero's Rebirth Ch. 07 Discussion
A place to discuss what you liked/disliked about Chapter 7, theories you have, questions that came up, and anything else you want to discuss about this chapter.
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ok and ya sometimes patreon is messed up things all over the place i do like the rebirth the best so far i hope u do more of it and maybe another story kinda like it im weird tho i like long stories like books like 200 to 500 pages haha
I'm working on the next chapter now. And in my 30+ ideas for future stories, I think several of them would qualify as "like it" in multiple respects.
y does this only have heros rebirth 4 and up weres 1 2 and 3
I'm actually working on that with my editors. Chapters 1-3 were written before I started this Patreon, so I currently only have them posted on Literotica.com. Some of those chapters were also written before I had my editors helping me out. So what I'm doing is I've given those chapters to my editors to work on when they have time, and once we've gotten them edited, I'll post them here and post the edits to Literotica.com. This is also when I plan on updating chapters I posted here as "previews" or didn't post with a PDF. That way the entire chapters will be available here, and in PDF form, for those who don't like the formating or other elements of the way that things are on Literotica.com. This is just the way things are right now, because I started publishing on Literotica, and started this Patreon because people wanted a way to support me.
Thank you so much for this amazing story. I look forward to more chapters!
I think Othica is the best choice (assuming it's one we've met already). The queen won't work for a vast number of reasons, not the least of which is that being a ruler while Thomas is off being a Hero is going to keep them even more separated than he is from his non-battle matrons at the household. And unless the plan is to reveal that Zynrin was under some sort of mind-control, I don't really see her changing her thoughts and joining with him. And Thomas' has already been fooled once by being bonded to an unwilling maiden, so I see him being much more cautious about it happening again.
Good thoughts. I am loving all the discussion!
I have yet to see a pristess in the story be on a power trip for themselves. They seem to want to serve their diety.
An interesting thought. I could see multiple ways that could work, but we'll have to see if it works for the story and motivations of the characters.
I found this chapter interesting for the different cultural learning experiences as mentioned (doors, clothing, food creation). You definitely have my curiosity up as to why there was a fall out between the Cloud Elves and their Dragons and how all that ties in with the Mountain Elves. With how powerful Thomas magic is and him not really having an understanding or control of his powers, isn't there a risk that he could accidentally "turn off" the magic that created the Cloud Elves city in the sky? I am curious as to why their deities didn't forewarn their Cloud Elf Priestess that emissaries were on their way and they should be treated as welcome guests. I am also not understanding the specific hatred that a few of the Cloud Elves (Zynrin) have of Thomas. He is not even an elf after all.
Love that you found that all so interesting! That was a lot of the content in this chapter, so if you didn't care I'm sure the chapter felt a little lacking. Your curiosity about the relationships will definitely be answered in the coming chapters. After all, after thr Cloud Elves it's basically already been confirmed the Mountain Elves will be next. That was the worry when the high priestess came to visit. But notice, even with his lack of experience, when he made the high priestess's clothes disappear, Othica's clothes remained. And he hasn't destroyed walls instead of just opening a door. So while he is powerful, he isn't "Blackbolt speaks a word and mountains are accidentally destroyed" uncontrolled in his power. Might he be able to INTENTIONALLY destroy the entire city by returning it to clouds? Maybe, but that would probably take enough effort on his part that it isn't likely to happen without conscious effort on his part. On the "why their deities didn't forewarn their Cloud Elf Priestess"... are you sure they didn't? When Zynrin and her crew landed on Thomas's ship, they already had prejudices that as soon as Thomas acknowledged they were from the Wood Elves, Zynrin was ready to attack. But... Othica, a priestess, was there to stop them. And she referenced specific orders Zynrin had recieved. The Queen already had the entire city gathered to hear what the emissaries had to say. What I think is really getting you is the second part of this last paragraph. Why do a lot of the cloud elves hate Thomas, even I'd he isn't elven. Imagine if you would, World War 2, the invasion of Normandy happens. The USA is there to liberate the French and turn the tide against Germany. The US forces land, the Canadian forces land, we're pushing forward... and then suddenly, the French, Canadians, and Brits all start shooting Americans, it is a slaughter. The war is extended by years... then a mother of one of the soldiers who died when the French and Brits turned on their US allies gets a knock on her door. It is a Hispanic fellow, and he says, "Hi, I'm here on behalf of France and Britain. They're having a touch of trouble with the Germans. You got any sons left to send to war?" Do you think the mother would be particularly kind to that Hispanic man? Do you think the mother would be nice to the three Frenchmen behind the Hispanic? Even if their pastor on Sunday had said that the French were coming, and THIS TIME they wouldn't betray the USA and kill our soldiers. All would be forgiven, right? (Sarcasm) It's a tough pill to swallow, no matter how religious you are.
I think that you’ve set the stage for the Queen and their guide to be matrons be the end. Also the divinity plot line you’ve opened now offers a lot of possibilities to explore including his Harem which is why I think you’re setting up for him to start picking up an even larger number of matrons more frequently. As well as adding goddess matrons in the future??…. I really hope you do add the queen, Zynrin and Othica not because they’re sisters but because of their relationship to k so far and what would happened for them to be matrons. Also hope we see more pregnancy and even babies too since it’s so important and central to elven life ……and being the children of a god? Can’t wait for next chapter
Love your take on things. I'm trying to avoid any "This is right" or "This is wrong" because even as the author, sometimes characters as they're built just don't make sense taking originally planned actions, and characters coming to life in that way is, I think, a good thing, but damn, does it make long term planning of micro-details hard. Lol.
Regarding the question about which cloud elf will be Thomas's next matron (assuming Thomas will get a cloud elf matron. Has it been confirmed that this is how the story will go?), I would bet against the queen. I would expect a queen to live in the cloud city, but that would make it difficult for her to fulfill her biological needs. I don't see Thomas moving to the cloud city or the queen frequently traveling during war time. If the elf has already been introduced to the reader, I would expect Zynrin or Othica. Othica seemed to get along fine with Thomas (to me at least, maybe I missed something) and could help with the lack of divinity/theology knowledge of his house. And Zynrin could give some symmetry to what Amura is going through (originally being against Thomas, etc.) and possibly help her. Between these two, I suppose Othica makes more sense in the grand picture. I don't know how I feel about Thomas taking more than one cloud elf. It could be hot, but based on what we know about elf history it could cause trouble if he takes more than one matron from each non-Wood elf race. I doubt it would be Queirian or Ululu. We haven't seen much from Ululu so far and I get the feeling that Queirian is too important for the Cloud elves to just give up. Of course, his potential next matron may not have been introduced yet. I cannot comment much in this case, though an unknown cloud elf could still contain the traits I mentioned above.
In my conversation with ThL, he stated "Why would the Cloud Elves impose more Matrons is a question." To which I replied: "I also think it is interesting that you made the statement: "Why would the Cloud Elves impose more Matrons is a question." I think that is a very "human" perspective on elven society. In elven society (regardless of which elven race) males are the serious minority. A male is a resource to the community and monogamy is found only among the Wild Elves, and is considered strange by the other elves. That is all pretty well established, I believe, in what I have written. When the Wood/High Elves realized that Thomas was able to reproduce with them, they didn't say "we should give him a single wife", they said "How many matrons can he knock up? How many can he handle?" Wouldn't it be more logical to assume the Cloud Elves would ask "How many Matrons could you handle of our number as well?" Now, he took a lot of Matrons among the High (Wood) Elves, so he won't likely take as many Matrons among the Cloud Elves as he has that are Wood Elves, but wouldn't it be more "strange" for the Cloud Elves to "only" offer him one? After all, all the races are still seeking to recover from the Massacre, so if he can produce a large number of children, wouldn't they give him as many matrons as possible, to have as many children for their race as possible, to help them recover? Just wondering where your logic disagrees here." And yes ThL agreed to having the discussion shared. That is what I said on the matter.
And I don't think that the Queen would "submit" to him, not in the literal sense. But maybe she has a submissive streak to balance the fact that she has to appear "in charge" in every other occasion?
It's an interesting thought. I mean, all his other Matrons have had to get used to the fact that Thomas's endurance and drive seems much high than your average elven man. Would she insist on taking charge or enjoy the chance to relax and be a pillow princess?
Sisters as matrons would be hot, whoever they are.
Last, and that was not in our discussion, if not Zyrin, who else? A good candidate for me would be the Queen herself. At first you may think it's a no go. She has a kingdom to rule, she is royalty, he's a commoner from another world and will never settle in the city of clouds. But then there is the high cleric appraisal of Thomas: a God in the making. A young queen, still struggling to get an effective control on her people and to fill in the role could not find a better consort to back her than a future god! But then she would probably not go alone, so maybe 2-3 other cloud elves to come with her? And how would the wood elves react to this "monopolizing" of a part of the precious seed from THEIR champion? What do you make of all this?
I would love to hear other people's thoughts as well. Because we have to assume that any cloud eff matron(s) he receives would be named characters. So far we have Zynrin, the Queen and a number of priestesses (Queirian, Othica, and Ululu). Queirian was described as "Matronly" so we can safely assume she has born at least one child, but if her Master has passed away, she could be a viable option. Othica is Zynrin's sister, and has served as their guide in the cloud city. And Ululu has been minimally named as the priestess that healed the others that attacked Thomas. Of course, we didn't get Laliera's name until the tournament, so it's possible we haven't even met the potential Matron(s) yet.
Hi there I had a very interesting exchange of PM with NaughtyPaladin yesterday about who's going to be the cloud elf maiden who will join Thomas. I stated that it could be fun to see Zynrin paired to him as a punishment for her betrayal, but at the same time pointed out that Thomas would probably not accept her, if she is so hostile towards him. So far, except for Amura, he always put an emphasis on asking each maiden if she was willing to join him. So, the "punishment bonding" would not fly for me. Could she have a change of heart? Would it be enough? But if she's willing, how is it a punishment? Then the exchange shifted to Thomas perception of Zynrin's attack and his feeling towards her after that. For me, given the ease with which Thomas deflected the blows, Thomas sees that just like a bar brawl. He's so used to brushes with death that this petty ambush would not make a lasting memory for him. Then we must also assume that she tried to kill him. So, what is it going to be? A minor incident to left behind or a lasting feud between them? Should he focus on the intend or on the result?
It is an interesting subject to explore. And as I pointed out, the Queen seemed shocked he was able to take the attack like he did, seemingly without putting out an equally measured counter to the "ki" that Zynrin used. It's easy to speculate her how powerful of an attack was it? I'm curious too, what do people think is appropriate for Thomas, should he gauge his reaction based on results, because he is ignorant of potential results, or based off intent? Like in our world, if you took a gun and shot at the president, a general, or a war hero, and they were wearing something bulletproof, you'd still go to jail for "attempted murder". I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not family with the sentence differences between "attempted" and "successful" crimes. But it's an interesting thought. What do you guys think?
The Cloud Dragon 'quest' was a nice twist. I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out. I wonder if this "test" has something to do with the Ya'av and Nsrevers alliance from the end of chapter 3... (Though I guess the readers don't know if that alliance is real. I suppose that could be one of the twisting of words that X'Thallion talked to Thomas about) On page 37, Thomas asks one of the gods for water. Is it normal for a god to "vocally" respond to such a request like they did here with Thomas? When using divine magic, I assumed that elves did not get a direct response besides observing if the request was granted. I enjoyed the chapter and how you displayed how different life is in the clouds (like with their doors and clothing). Thanks for the update :)
Thanks for your observations! In the verbal response from the Gods, no, that is unusual. But Thomas is an unusual guy for this world. I also felt like it was this God's way of assuring him they are indeed listening.