AOT S4E23 - Sunset

personally, i don’t think we should feel like “eren had no other choice” or that “eren’s choices made sense.” to me, it felt like the entire anime was telling us that genocide is wrong no matter what. for example, armin kept pushing for conversation before violence, none of the main characters willingly engaged in murder (it came with their occupation, but it remained against their values), multiple character developments were present to show how their beliefs were changed, and even eren regretting his own decision. all of which are aspects to be considered before committing mass murder (especially one that is non-discriminatory). ending attack on titan shouldn’t lead to us believing eren was right because genocide is, was, and always will be unacceptable.

It’s hard to remember all the characters when so many of them die…and in season 4 they all look different with age. Speaking for myself the only reason I know all these side characters is bc I’ve watched it several times. You’ve expressed this before but it is hard to know who to remember/pat attention to

Hitch did have a very drastic change in her appearance when the animation studio changed so many people don't notice it's her

Just my opinion, but sometimes AOT feels like it develops characters for the purpose of developing characters. And I love that. Not everything needs to be Chekhov's Gun

people just have watched this series 10 times already - I've had similiar questions about characters I should've recognized the first time around

I hate and always hated Floch -having trauma doesn't automatically make you a fascist, otherwise someone like Levi would be a completely different person. It's annoying he gets so much screentime but I guess it's to explore what happens when systems are going down...

I would say the final trio of peak episodes is indeed the last three that includes the two "mini" movies (Special Part 1 and Part 2). But if you're watching the Last Attack version, it's a combination of the two Special parts + extra post credit scene (I think it might be worth watching that) tldr: final episode of S4 P2 + Special Part 1 + Special Part 2 OR final episode of S4 P2 + Last Attack movie.

The episodes that you're waiting for are definitely the last two. I remember waking up early to watch them as if it was Christmas Day, but in all honesty what I got was probably better than Christmas. Back then we had to wait 8 months between the two eps, so you're lucky to catch them back to back lol. ALSO you should watch the compilation movie that they released in 2024 instead of the two episodes, as they offer the exact same content but with slightly better visuals.

petition to watch the rest in dub

Yeah I've found prime awful for subtitles tbh. Most anime I've watched on there, it's terrible. Disrespect for the medium

It's cool if u don't remember characters like I barely knew people's names for most the show😂

If Prime is having a bit of a mare, try Crunchyroll, they offer a free trial or £6 for a month

I originally watched in sub and realized I was too focused on reading that I would miss characters, details and moments. When I watched in dub I caught way more so when I had my wife watch the show it was in dub so she could catch everything without having to rewatch. To each their own but I enjoyed it more in dub

The desire for it to be done in terms of Floch and his actions makes sense, but one of the brilliant things the story did was take the time to show us how the politics and government of the island function before introducing a sentient external enemy. We've continuously seen the struggle for power within the walls. I can't think of the argument for why the rumbling would make that irrelevant. Most revolutions in world history have experienced this.

Whenever you try to hate floch u gotta remember this guy is the last scout alive minus Levi to hear Erwin’s speech.

Watch on crunchyroll

Prime or crunchyroll, which is basically what ur watching, is infamous for terrible subtitles and bad translations. You may have to just pirate the show, or watch the dub if you prefer, though I think the voice acting in the sub is superior as a whole

Yes! the dub for AOT is sooo good. I believe new anime watchers should start off with dub as its an easier transition. i didnt struggle remembering names and characters because i watch in dub. with sub you only have visual memory whereas in english you have can have both audio and visual memory(also audio memory sticks better}. Hitch has such a recognizable voice that eventhough she's older and its a new artstyle she has a distinct folder in my memory. As a new anime watcher consider watching in dub in future and using the sub footage so the sub elitists don't get mad.

Regarding how we remember characters, I think it is probably a mix of the weekly release format, and just generally being more used to anime. As you've said before, in anime there aren't as many facial details that allow one to easily distinguish characters, and in that sense, I do think it is very much a trained thing where by watching multiple animes you begin to more easily distinguish (and consequently, remember) characters. With that said I do agree that the show has an OVERWHELMING amount of characters, and it's hard to keep track. Part of me wants to say that it's partially on purpose to obscure the mystery and identities of some characters (for example, figuring out who the armored, colossal, and woman titan were would be a lot easier if we had fewer characters), but maybe that's just excusing the show a tad too much hehe

Interesting, I think my sub when i watched it back in the days had the "on your feet dad" as well.

i LOVE that you’re back on the erwin thread. it’s so important to the show and even the jaegerists and why they believe what they believe

With regards to the Zeke question. When Eren transformed after coming out of the paths something also happened to Zeke in that very moment before the walls started coming apart.

AOT is one of the rare instances where I am a staunch dub fan. I’ve watched it in both and dont get me wrong the VAs in the sub are phenomenal and deliver some amazing performances. I’m sure if i understood Japanese I would have different opinions. The two places where I value the dub over sub is in cadence/translation and watch experience (this one is a bit more preference than opinion) Whoever did the dub, I believe, did a far better job translating the original japanese than the subtitle translators. The translations are slightly more evocative in language and they’ve taken great care in the cadence of sentences and the such. Like your example with “on your feet dad” similar things in erwins speech and, for me, Eren’s speech to the eldians in the paths. I also find myself better able to connect to moments/acting performances when I’m hearing and understanding it rather than reading. I can comprehend a show just fine in sub but through that extra layer of disconnect I often find that dub scenes will hit a lot harder. This is a very subjective opinion and I’m sure it’s different for many. It may be too late to switch now as you won’t have the same connections to the english VAs but on your second watch (and AOT is just as good, if not better, on a second watch) i would recommend the dub and you can compare for yourself.

So you have 5 episodes and two “special episodes” left. You can watch the two special episodes as a movie which goes for about 2.5 hours. I suggest you do this instead of watching them as the content is the same, however if you feel like you might get overwhelmed the special episodes are fine as well. As for the remaining regular episodes, all I’ll say is there is plenty of action and character moments to look forward to.

Just fyi the dub changes the script in order to match the animation, which is made for Japanese. So the subtitles aren’t going to match the dub, they’re gonna be a closer translation from Japanese to english.

I remember the translation i watched it on was “on your feet dad”, so its not only in dub, i guess prime’s translation is shit, also i really recommend you rewatch the show after it sit good for a while, in way it answers a lot of your questions, you’d understand a lot of characters motives before, and it will really feel like an another whole show!

Prime also has the TV versions without a couple of fixes that the bluray release did, maybe you should try to find those versions Also, since you are close approaching to it, be aware that the movie (Attack on Titan: The last attack) is a replacement of episodes S4E29 and S4E30. So you should just watch the movie instead of those two episodes since the content is exactly the same with improved visuals

It's not unusual for people to forget hitch because he looks a lot different in season 4 to the point where only her hair color is what makes it connect.

Ep 26 is when we are really getting back into the nitty-gritty. Not saying that anything before then doesn't have its moments of retrospect and high stakes.

I think the weekly release format also helped with remembering the characters -- we got to discuss the eps for an entire week and really marinate in them, and that includes the characters

Agreed on the number of characters. A lot of fans are on their third or fourth rewatch. I also struggled remembering some characters on the first watch. The change of animation studio in season 4 also contributes to it as so many of the characters look pretty different.

Hope you're also finding time to watch Widows bay